brush bug Created 16 years ago2008-03-14 09:35:04 UTC by Skals

Theres a strange bug in my map

For some reason a little bit of this brush for some reason has been cut out, and you can see a bit of the sky there.when i shoot at it, i can feel the brush is still there coz i cant shoot trough it, but why has a bit of it disapeared? and its not like carved either coz u cant see the sides of it. help

First of all, make sure you're not playing in Software mode.

Second, check if the brush in question has been vertex manipulated. If so, make sure that the brush is valid.

Third, check your log file for anything suspicious.

First: Im playing on open gl

Second: Ive got no errors, and the brushes are healthy 6 faced cubes

Third: I didnt really get any errors but light_glow errors... cant really fix those, its the fgd's fault i think, or the zhlt.

Im also running this map on no vis. might that be the problem?

Its rly strange cuz nothing like this happened before, it just popped up unexpectedly

Im also running this map on no vis. might that be the problem?

Im pretty sure that is the problem. Its never a good idea to skip Vis, instead, compile with -fast vis. If you just need to look at architecture or entity setups, you can turn of Rad to speed up the compile process, but never should you skip Vis.

So compile with -fast or normal vis to see if that does anything.

Edit: Ah dam ive got two of these:

Warning: Leaf portals saw into leaf

Problem at portal between leaves 1775 and 1765:
   (200.000 588.000 400.000)
(200.000 588.000 0.000)
(268.000 600.000 0.000)
(268.000 600.000 461.000)
(264.474 599.378 463.644)
(263.379 599.184 463.379)

Should i just replace those two brushes?

No, you can generally ignore those as they won't affect overall performance of your map.

Note that the numbers you see (1775 and 1765) are not brush numbers, but leafs. Its hard to explain what they are.

Take a look at this tutorial to see what its all about: Leafs, what are they? Im doing the same.

so basically, leafs are only the parts of a brush that you can see ingame?

i compoled with rad and i think theyre still there. so these leaf errors arent the problem?

Ok, i avoided that error and it seems to work fine... but now i get this:

Error: Exceeded MAX_PATCHES
Description: The map has a problem which must be fixed
Howto Fix: Check the file ZHLTProblems.html for a detailed explanation of this problem

Use -sparse and you should never run into a MAX_PATCHES error again.

Have you been using func_wall to optimise your map btw?

have you tried to rebuild that portion of the map? Are you using NULL textures?

And only use -sparse if you get that error. Don't use it all the time as it lowers quality and increases compile times.

Ummm... i have alot of func walls but most of the brushes in my map are normal... i think i know the cause. i made a box around my map... ill try to remove that without leeks

And only use -sparse if you get that error. Don't use it all the time as it lowers quality

It does?

It does. The compile tools has this limit of something around 30000 patches (don't quote me on that). -sparse will allow the compiler to break this limit which gives the compiler much more work to do (add around 25% extra time) and also means the map has much more to load and will increase the r_speeds a bit. How much depends. It also means that because there are more patches then it has to work out which patch has what light and which overlap. This may or may not mean shadows look strange in some places. I have had this from using -sparse. I didn't have it when I cut out that portion and compiled it separately. (Note that mapping design can influence the outcome of any event in HL)

so how exactly do i turn -sparse on?

you can add "-sparse" (no quotes) under RAD compile paramaters in the expert compile, or in Batch Compiler under the RAD tab, check the VIS Matrix box and choose "Sparse" on the drop-down menu.

is there any tutorial on how to do it... because im fken confused. theres no rad in expert, and the light one doesnt have any sparse shit thing

Use my Compilator. Activating sparse is as easy as pie.
Simply goto to the Rad tab and check the sparse box, as seen here:Its an old screenshot, but the sparse checkbox is still there.

heh. and where can i get ur compilator?... i didnt not find it in ur web

http://twhl.co.za/forums.php?thread=14161

And it is on my website under "Projects".

Muzz, ur tool Rocks i love the way the seconds remaining and the procent is shown. you can tell if its froze or not, or if you have to wait long or not :)) love you!!

i love the way the seconds remaining and the procent is shown.

Its just a parameter thats doing that: Estimate, which i enabled by default.

its smiple but cool. well it still takes alot of time, but i can atleast tell if its working.

edit: lol ive been waiting an hour now for hlvis to load at 70%

I use batch compiler for the same thing

Did you try a cordon compile?
Omg and i live by the compilator.

AND muzz,

Take a look at this tutorial to see what its all about: Leafs, what are they? Im doing the same.

that tutorial is b0rked. I tried to email the dude but i guess his email doesnt exist anymore.. here's what i was GOING to say to him

[quote]
in one part quoted here ::

""
BSP separates this map into 3 leafs (cells) and 2 portals which the next diagram(the PLAN view) demonstrates,

""

Says there are 3 leafs and 2 portals
YET the text below the gray box says otherwise:

""

The red boxes are the leafs while the blue boxes are the portals.The generated *.prt file looks like,
PRT1
3
2
4 0 1 (352 -240 -448 ) (352 -384 -448 ) (352 -384 -384 ) (352 -240 -384 )
4 1 2 (288 -240 -448 ) (288 -384 -448 ) (288 -384 -384 ) (288 -240 -384 )

The following information can be extracted from the *.prt,

* On the second line 3 indicates the number of portals in the level.
* On the next line 2 indicates the number of leafs in the level.

""

So up top it says there's 3 leafs and 2 portals
But down bottom it says there's 2 leafs and 3 portals.

I'm confused.
[/quote]

so.. yeah

lol my map was goan compile for 5 hours... i canceled it rofl. ill try again now