Check this article out:
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/mind/subliminal/092600a.html#subby
Its pretty interesting. This subject often gets misinterpreted and shunned, mainly because a population aware of it's effectiveness would have a devestating effect on consumerism and the way we see our world today.
Subliminal Advertising
Created 20 years ago2004-11-09 12:40:04 UTC by
Jahzel
Created 20 years ago2004-11-09 12:40:04 UTC by
Jahzel
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 12:40:04 UTC
Post #72372
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 13:29:55 UTC
Post #72376
I can understand teh principle, but I can't understand what the exact purpose of a horse, jimi hendrix, and some pron can have.. !?
I mean.. why bother, does it sell more computers?
does it fuck, that guy has to be teh only one who's ever seen that shit, and something tells he wears glasses from spending 13 hours a day 12 inches from teh screen, and he probably smokes a little too much weed.
I mean.. why bother, does it sell more computers?
does it fuck, that guy has to be teh only one who's ever seen that shit, and something tells he wears glasses from spending 13 hours a day 12 inches from teh screen, and he probably smokes a little too much weed.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 14:15:11 UTC
Post #72384
No. Subliminal advertising targets specifically the unconscious mind whilst the conscious mind remains oblivious. When we look at an advertisement, from billboards to TV commercials, the conscious mind pays little attention to them -- however the unconscious mind is being bombarded with all kinds of suggestions. As you may or may not now, sex sells. It is the most common method of gaining people's attention. It is frequently used in car sale adverts etc. But there is a more sinister side to it. Even the most unlikely adverts such as on TV use subliminal 'sex' references our unconscious mind receives. Such methods are used excessively in the Dyson Hoover adverts on television. It sounds absurd to think that such a subject in normal terms would be a likely candidate for such a subject, but look twice...
Of course you can say that anything can be perceived in advertising given a little imagination, wild at best, but lets not forget that companies STILL use this technique to this day, even though it was supposedly made an offence to use any form of subliminal advertising. It was made illegal in the light of public awareness for such a subject, so as to make it look like 'the good guys have stopped the corruption'. Nonsense of course. It was made to seem as an eccentric subject that no one could possibly take seriously, you know, that old trick the elite use to cover up their crimes.
As for the horse, the white horse was a sun symbol of the Phoenicians, the black horse under the Brotherhood?s system of reverse symbolism, represents the malevolent use of the suns energy. The Black horse is a symbol of the Brotherhood front in the United Kingdom, Lloyds Bank.
Symbolism is extensively used throughout the media, building architecture, art and corporate logo designs. Not all symbolism is used in a negative way, some claim that it is a way of keeping the hidden knowledge alive, since knowledge is neutral; it is neither positive nor negative.
Of course you can say that anything can be perceived in advertising given a little imagination, wild at best, but lets not forget that companies STILL use this technique to this day, even though it was supposedly made an offence to use any form of subliminal advertising. It was made illegal in the light of public awareness for such a subject, so as to make it look like 'the good guys have stopped the corruption'. Nonsense of course. It was made to seem as an eccentric subject that no one could possibly take seriously, you know, that old trick the elite use to cover up their crimes.
As for the horse, the white horse was a sun symbol of the Phoenicians, the black horse under the Brotherhood?s system of reverse symbolism, represents the malevolent use of the suns energy. The Black horse is a symbol of the Brotherhood front in the United Kingdom, Lloyds Bank.
Symbolism is extensively used throughout the media, building architecture, art and corporate logo designs. Not all symbolism is used in a negative way, some claim that it is a way of keeping the hidden knowledge alive, since knowledge is neutral; it is neither positive nor negative.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 15:01:55 UTC
Post #72390
Interesting but some of it's ridiculously paranoid and absurd.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 15:14:38 UTC
Post #72391
Complete bullshit, pardon my french.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 15:21:41 UTC
Post #72393
This message is brought to you by the number seven.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 16:10:24 UTC
Post #72400
Dyson.
The cleaner that doesnt lose suction.
Not at all.
Not a sausage.
The cleaner that doesnt lose suction.
Not at all.
Not a sausage.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 16:42:29 UTC
Post #72402
You see people? Even m0p's noticed that subliminal.
Subliminal advertising is apparently not illegal in the UK or the US, despite public (and professional) beliefs to the contrary. There is some legislation in both the UK and US concerning TV but none concerning printed advertising. (See: http://www.subliminalworld.org/whatsub1.htm for more information) Like it or loathe it, subliminal advertising is still used to day even though it may be considered
Subliminal advertising is apparently not illegal in the UK or the US, despite public (and professional) beliefs to the contrary. There is some legislation in both the UK and US concerning TV but none concerning printed advertising. (See: http://www.subliminalworld.org/whatsub1.htm for more information) Like it or loathe it, subliminal advertising is still used to day even though it may be considered
bullshitby some. As always, the textbook approach to subjects beyond the conceived norm are rejected and seen as wild and paranoid. This is how they achieve their goals folks; we are practically allowing them to go about their little plans without us noticing because we are told that these subjects are ridiculous and not worthy of thought.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 16:50:02 UTC
Post #72403
omfgdyson!
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 17:11:22 UTC
Post #72405
And this is on national TV from day to night. Do you think for a minute that the guy(s) who coined that slogan did not have a clue about what it could essentially suggest as a double meaning? Come on.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 17:34:32 UTC
Post #72411
Maybe he just has a SENSE OF HUMOUR.
Then again, considering some of the things in the Darwin awards, maybe he (or she!) is just aiming to please that perverse audience too
Then again, considering some of the things in the Darwin awards, maybe he (or she!) is just aiming to please that perverse audience too
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 18:08:10 UTC
Post #72416
Sure, but ask yourself, 'WHY WOULD A VACUUM CLEANER ADVERT BROADCASTING THROUGHOUT THE DAY/NIGHT SUM UP THESE OBVIOUS CONNOTATIONS?' Sure, a sense of humour, but surely they would regulate that sense of humour. At first I laughed when I seen that advert because I just could not believe they have the ordasity to display such a slogan knowing that it could be interpreted in another way. The truth is, they do not care about our ethics and morals, they just want us to consume till we drop dead, if it means communicating through different ways of fulfilling human desires then sure, why wouldnt they? It works. Lots of people drink coca-cola without a shred of insight into what poisons are being used to supress their intellect simply beacuse it satisfies them. I still smoke cigarettes knowing that they are full of thousands of harmful chemicals that have the potential to cause serious illness to myself and others simply because it's enjoyable and addictive -- just like coca-cola. In the early days when they actually used cocaine in the drink, they made sure people would be addicted to the pleasures that it had to offer and buy the shit repeatedly. These people are crooks, the establishment are all a bunch of crooks and it's time we stop laughing and joking about it and start thinking about it, for once. Consumerism and materialism is among the many different methods of insuring that the population can be controlled through their own pleasure and enjoyment. People who devote their entire lives to look good incase others might laugh at them are just system slaves controlled only by the fear of what others think about them. It's not cool to be intellectual these days. To be cool you need a complete frontal labotomy and a completelack of knowledge needed to evolve as human beings. We are all system slaves, we are all under a form of mass control and delusion which is very difficult to seperate from. The sooner we all wake up and stop messing around the better.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-09 18:09:19 UTC
Post #72417
*ensuring
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-10 03:42:56 UTC
Post #72456
*lobotomy
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-10 12:32:09 UTC
Post #72500
if it were truly subliminal we wouldn't notice it at all.Precisely the purpose of subliminal advertising. If we knew it was subliminal, then we would feel we were being cheated. They have to ensure no one really understands.
As for the Dyson advert, OK, it's a little O.T.T to suggest that using BJ references might help us go out and buy vacuum cleaners, but true subliminal advertising is much more subtle. Hidden suggestions are almost hypnotically implanted in our unconscious mind telling us that our needs can be fulfilled 'if' we visit the Carphone Warehouse etc.
When we watch TV and we see loads of crappy insurance adverts with Carol Vordamen etc, a normal human being would not consciously give a fuck about her or her shitty adverts, only our unconscious is targeted. Most subliminal messages we recieve are not even used to sell the product advertised, but rather implanting various suggestions in our unconscious telling us how to think, behave, co-operate, etc. If you watch the film by John Carpenter called 'They Live' you'll see an almost identical scenario to true life. In the film their are a set of special shades that when put on allow you to see so-called reality as it truly is. All the adverts suddenly change from looking average to big bold, black text saying things like 'Get married and reproduce' and 'Obey' etc. The shades also cause the true identy of world leaders to unveil, horrible scaley reptile-looking creatures. (If you know much about what I know this isn't so far-fetched at all)
As for the protest songs, definately. I can try to help you out in that. Beware you don't get shot or die in a 'car accident' if your songs get too popular though...
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-10 19:14:00 UTC
Post #72566
(If you know much about what I know this isn't so far-fetched at all)know = read evidence and weighed it up in your own mind, but completely lacking any first hand experience of the matter.
Subliminal advertising DOES definately work, thats why the companies get payed big bucks (and a lot of money). But it can always be argued that while all successful advertisments have subtle innuendo, the question in my opinion has always been, "what is mind control ('first degree' cooercion, if you will
) and what is very clever manipulation?"Babies use 'mind control' by emitting a really annoying sound which taps into the humans innate sense of caring to get a response from adults. Eg goes "waaaah!" when it craps. Women wear red lipstick because it looks reminds men of swollen 'lady bits'. Pester power, guilt trips, reverse psychology, lying etc. are all forms of manipulation, and all far more effective at getting results. It can't be simply 'mind control' if you are trying to get someone to do something they probably wouldn't. We all do this, ever day. It seems 'mind control' is a term used for 'bad' manipulation, eg getting people to buy things or kill people 'against their will' (against their will, btw is bull, since the manipulation changes the persons will)
The whole thing is such a grey issue, the law doesn't really have a place to start. Thats why advertisers can do it (unless it blatently flashes KILL ALL HIPPIES during an advert) and why brainwashing cults (as opposed to normal, harmless idiot 'space man' cults) can get away with indoctrination of followers using the most powerful techniques. www.rickross.com has a very good selection of texts on cults and the techniques they use, btw.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-10 20:31:08 UTC
Post #72591
Most of the mind control and manipulation was devised in Nazi Germany. The same technology is being advanced to this day by the CIA and other Government Organisations. What a great way to make sure everyone stays a bunch of unthinking idiots gullable enough to believe the lies being told by subjecting them to every form of mind manipulaton and control mechanisms. Mind control is effective, it's been used on us everyday without us even being aware folks.
Religion and media are only part of this mass deception. Yuppies are being rewarded with more popularity and more money for their co-operation with the system and handing over their minds to control.
Their chipping away at us here, we're taking it. I'm sick and tired of this "just another conspiracy, bullshit, shit" attitude that dominates the minds of popular culture. We are allowing them to continue the process of the NWO because we reject the increasing amount of information coming out daily.
To be free we have to think freely. Reject religion, do not believe everything you see/hear in the mainstream media, question the official lines of history and science we've all been indoctrinated with, and give up this mental block, this fear of new information thats preventing us from evolving.
Religion and media are only part of this mass deception. Yuppies are being rewarded with more popularity and more money for their co-operation with the system and handing over their minds to control.
Their chipping away at us here, we're taking it. I'm sick and tired of this "just another conspiracy, bullshit, shit" attitude that dominates the minds of popular culture. We are allowing them to continue the process of the NWO because we reject the increasing amount of information coming out daily.
To be free we have to think freely. Reject religion, do not believe everything you see/hear in the mainstream media, question the official lines of history and science we've all been indoctrinated with, and give up this mental block, this fear of new information thats preventing us from evolving.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-10 23:36:13 UTC
Post #72602
As I said, man, define this 'mind control' as opposed to subtle manipulation (which we all do or have done). Its MORE than the $64,000 dollar question, Scien-NEH-tolo-NEH-gists would die. (NEHs added by my lawyer, he reckons a lot of cultists surf for people to sue). 
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-11 15:31:58 UTC
Post #72682
People who think that what Jazzy said is stupid are wrong. Subliminal messaging is a real thing that has been used in the past, and as a result it is banned in the United Kingdom.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-11 15:44:13 UTC
Post #72683
Right, I can see you haven't actually read this have you MkT?
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-11 15:51:43 UTC
Post #72685
And yes that was me.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-11 16:01:33 UTC
Post #72687
The whole idea of 'choice' makes no sense. You don't really make choices which are truly free, unless its something basic like when to eat and sleep. Everything else relates to what other people want or what they may expect, you do things to impress people, to rebel, to fit in etc. And in these cases you are being manipulated, whether the other people know it or not.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-11 16:18:37 UTC
Post #72691
What you got to remember Mephs is that control is both two sides of the same coin. In other words, it does not matter if you are socialist or a conservative, a protestant or catholic, the two divisions are occupied by the same ruling elite. There is no escape from manipulation in any case. To do so would probably mean you'd have to become some kind of hermit for god's sake, and who wants that?
Anyway, it doesnt need to be this way. We can still all be controlled in a benevolant way, we can all still obey the decent laws, it's not about becoming an anarchist, (remember, anarchy is used as a tool to disrupt peacful protest to make it look like it is turning violent which allows them to take action and ban protest) but what is not fair is that the establishment are criminals breaking every rule in the book, and they're getting away with it while we're trying our best to be a good citizen. They're shtting on us and we're taking it.
Anyway, it doesnt need to be this way. We can still all be controlled in a benevolant way, we can all still obey the decent laws, it's not about becoming an anarchist, (remember, anarchy is used as a tool to disrupt peacful protest to make it look like it is turning violent which allows them to take action and ban protest) but what is not fair is that the establishment are criminals breaking every rule in the book, and they're getting away with it while we're trying our best to be a good citizen. They're shtting on us and we're taking it.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-11 16:24:21 UTC
Post #72693
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-11 17:40:38 UTC
Post #72696
By the way, in the near future, all forms of protest (peace, ant-war etc)will be prohibited under anti-terrorism laws. Dissidence is now going to be an offence, and disagreeing with government policies an offence also. This is the next stage of a global police state people.
It is happening now in America, and then gradually it will shift towards the UK and other parts of the world. What we are seeing here is a fasicist agenda unfolding. This is no longer a fairy tale or conspiracy, or some kind of joke, this is the tyranny long predicted. It is Order out of Chaos. More and more evidence is emerging that proves 9/11 was a delibrate act of the globalists to enforce new 'anti-terror' laws that are going to take away people's freedom and rights.
Under the new Partiot Acts 1 and 2, ALL FORMS OF CRIME -- EVEN ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATION, ARE CLASSED AS TERRORISM and result in immediate action. These Patriot Acts will be intoduced in the UK. They scare-mongering and threatening us with 'more attacks' to step-up homeland security and enforce a complete, militarised police state.
Soon they will have the ability to arrest anyone at any moment for whatever reason they see fit, they will be able to bust down your door in full swat team attire, and they will put you in jail if you disagree with the fascist government. It's not a laughing matter, this is happening now folks, people have being warning of this New World Order for decades and we are about to face it. See for yourself the Globalists' plan: http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_police_state.html#criticizing
P.s. I'm not trying to scare you out of your wits, I'm trying to inform you of the New World Order and how this is the tyranny we, the younger generation, will face in the near future.
It is happening now in America, and then gradually it will shift towards the UK and other parts of the world. What we are seeing here is a fasicist agenda unfolding. This is no longer a fairy tale or conspiracy, or some kind of joke, this is the tyranny long predicted. It is Order out of Chaos. More and more evidence is emerging that proves 9/11 was a delibrate act of the globalists to enforce new 'anti-terror' laws that are going to take away people's freedom and rights.
Under the new Partiot Acts 1 and 2, ALL FORMS OF CRIME -- EVEN ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATION, ARE CLASSED AS TERRORISM and result in immediate action. These Patriot Acts will be intoduced in the UK. They scare-mongering and threatening us with 'more attacks' to step-up homeland security and enforce a complete, militarised police state.
Soon they will have the ability to arrest anyone at any moment for whatever reason they see fit, they will be able to bust down your door in full swat team attire, and they will put you in jail if you disagree with the fascist government. It's not a laughing matter, this is happening now folks, people have being warning of this New World Order for decades and we are about to face it. See for yourself the Globalists' plan: http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_police_state.html#criticizing
P.s. I'm not trying to scare you out of your wits, I'm trying to inform you of the New World Order and how this is the tyranny we, the younger generation, will face in the near future.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-11 19:52:37 UTC
Post #72707
Those who are going to be most effected by the new Homeland security and the Patriot Act are American citizens. Gradually when they increase to Code Red security and national alert PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE THEIR OWN HOME, it says in the official documents, read the Homeland security and Patriot Act charters. Children will be taken away to quote 'secret locations' as part of the anti-terrorism law. Individual rights will be taken away to 'make the country more secure in the fight against evil'! Shares will be invested in different government divisions to ensure the funding of a militarised police state. Here in the UK Blunkett already said about a new 'pre-crime' scheme which allows the enforcement to sentence individuals who haven?t even committed a crime yet! The Patriot Act and Homeland security has the power to secretly arrest individuals, secretly execute individuals, take dissidents to newly built concentration camps such as those built by FEMA! When the peaceful [url= http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Seattle.asp]protest against the World Trade Organisation occurred in Seattle[/url], a group of anarchists were hired by the CIA to disrupt the protest and cause chaos all around. The anarchists were housed in accommodations specially secured by law enforcement as the police then rushed the peaceful protestors who were in no way acting violently with tear gas and brutality. All of this was to ensure the protest would look like it was chaotic and violent so authorities could then enforce a law in that area that prohibits protest against the WTO, which they did. They set up ?protest free zones? where it is a criminal offence to carry any anti-WTO material or badges. Folks this is what?s happening now. All forms of protest will be prohibited under these new draconian measures.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-11 19:53:43 UTC
Post #72709
Peace And LOve, why dont you just log in
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-11 19:56:00 UTC
Post #72710
The linkage wasnt working so here it is from the horse's mouth:
http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/
This is madness.
http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/
This is madness.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-12 16:34:18 UTC
Post #72777
You can't fight city hall. Death and taxes. Don't talk about politics or religion. This is all the equivalent of enemy propaganda rolling across the picket line. Lay down, GI, lay down, GI! We saw it all through the 20th Century. And now in the 21st Century, it's time to stand up and realize that we should not allow ourselves to be crammed into this ratmaze. We should not submit to dehumanization. I don't know about you, but I'm concerned about what's happening in this world. I'm concerned with the structure. I'm concerned with the systems of control. Those that control my life and those that seek to control it even more. I want freedom. That's what I want. And that's what you should want.
It's up to each and every one of us to turn loose of just some of the greed, the hatred, the envy, and yes, the insecurities, because that is the central mode of control: make us feel pathetic, small, so we'll willingly give up our sovereignty, our liberty, our destiny. We have got to realize that we're being conditioned on a mass scale. Start challenging this corporate slave state.
The 21st Century's gonna be a new century; not the century of slavery, not the century of lies and issues of no significance, and classism and statism, and all the rest of the modes of control. It's gonna be the age of human kind, standing up for something pure, and something right.
What a bunch of garbage: liberal, Democrat, conservative, Republican. It's all there to control you: two sides of the same coin. Two management teams bidding for control of the CEO job of Slavery, Incorporated. The truth is out there in front of you, but they lay out this buffet of lies. I'm sick of it, and I'm not going to take a bite out of it. Do you got me?
Resistance is not futile. We're gonna win this thing. Human kind is too good. We're not a bunch of underachievers. We're gonna stand up and we're gonna be human beings. We're gonna get fired up about the real things, the things that matter: Creativity and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
Well that's it. That's all I've got to say. It's in your court.
Alex Jones speech used in the Waking Life film
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-12 16:53:30 UTC
Post #72781
Jesus loves you.
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