Edit: OH FUCK. He's back.
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Yeah, Psilous. Highlander was before your time
Edit: OH FUCK. He's back.
Edit: OH FUCK. He's back.
After burning my skull for days trying to rationalize the moral issues with this, I've come to the conclusion that I'm actually OK with it.
However, it is still quite a shock, and should be because the magnitude of MW2's first mission far surpasses anything we've seen before.
All it takes is time to sink in, and that's what makes good stories great.
However, it is still quite a shock, and should be because the magnitude of MW2's first mission far surpasses anything we've seen before.
All it takes is time to sink in, and that's what makes good stories great.
So if you weren't Highlander, then you were obviously Yodalman, right?
That's flawed logic. There's tons of other people that could have been if you weren't Highlander. You could have even be a totally new person for all we know.
That's flawed logic. There's tons of other people that could have been if you weren't Highlander. You could have even be a totally new person for all we know.
Only duh to me.
Nobody else has any reason to know because you and I were the only ones who knew to whom that free Steam account was given.
Nobody else has any reason to know because you and I were the only ones who knew to whom that free Steam account was given.
It's not Highlander, it's Yodalman.
What?
What are you talking about?
Fyi: It's a bad idea to say it's OK to ban you when nobody threatened to. If you never brought it up in the first place, your chances are significantly reduced.
What are you talking about?
Fyi: It's a bad idea to say it's OK to ban you when nobody threatened to. If you never brought it up in the first place, your chances are significantly reduced.
It crashes my hammer too.Oh right. That.
There's something about the HL fgd that doesn't like to render cycler_sprites as models in Hammer, but ingame they'll be fine (I know. I use them :P)
Use furniture or cyclers or something as a placeholder, then switch to the CS fgd and change all of your props to cycler_sprites before the final compile.
(That or just change them and don't go into a 3D window).
What?
No, you use cycler_sprite for that.
You should always use cycler_sprite for model props.
How do some of you still not know this?
No, you use cycler_sprite for that.
You should always use cycler_sprite for model props.
How do some of you still not know this?
Nah, that's just what happens when you decompile.
Brushes change in ways that Hammer wouldn't be able to deal with when you compile a map (like all those split faces for example). Often you'll end up with problems after decompiling because of these changes when Hammer tries to compensate.
That's why it's always better to rebuild decompiled maps brush by brush if you plan to use them in a serious project.
Brushes change in ways that Hammer wouldn't be able to deal with when you compile a map (like all those split faces for example). Often you'll end up with problems after decompiling because of these changes when Hammer tries to compensate.
That's why it's always better to rebuild decompiled maps brush by brush if you plan to use them in a serious project.
If I may, why are two edges blurred into nothing?
I'm going to be honest:
I probably wouldn't host a decompiled map unless it went through a serious overall.
I probably wouldn't host a decompiled map unless it went through a serious overall.
Get a drink, have a good time now.
Welcome to paradise.
Welcome to paradise.
Your compile log looks fine.
There's many other things that could cause lag on a weak system like yours than wpoly.
My first guess would be your flickering lights. I remember when I used to have a weak system any flickering light would cause my fps to drop substantially.
Does your fps fluctuate while you stand still, or only while you move?
If it only spikes up and down while you are moving or looking around, then you can try to pinpoint the problematic area by finding exactly when and where you lose fps.
There's many other things that could cause lag on a weak system like yours than wpoly.
My first guess would be your flickering lights. I remember when I used to have a weak system any flickering light would cause my fps to drop substantially.
Does your fps fluctuate while you stand still, or only while you move?
If it only spikes up and down while you are moving or looking around, then you can try to pinpoint the problematic area by finding exactly when and where you lose fps.
Oh that's right, I forgot about a few... huh.
Revised list:
-Audiosurf
-Fear 2
-Left 4 Dead
-Stalker: Clear Sky
-Unreal Tournament 3
I also played the shit out of Devil May Cry 4 on PC, but that was a free copy.
Revised list:
-Audiosurf
-Fear 2
-Left 4 Dead
-Stalker: Clear Sky
-Unreal Tournament 3
I also played the shit out of Devil May Cry 4 on PC, but that was a free copy.
I've seen all three several times, and all three are fantastic. And American History X and Requiem for a Dream left me feeling very different emotion from the MW2 scene in that they taught a very deep lesson.
But seriously, I'm done in this thread now. I'm sick trying to justify inconsistent morals, and it doesn't make a difference in the end anyway. And stop putting words in my mouth.
But seriously, I'm done in this thread now. I'm sick trying to justify inconsistent morals, and it doesn't make a difference in the end anyway. And stop putting words in my mouth.
This "mature means sex and violence" bullshit has to stop. That's the root of the whole problem. This whole stigma that "made for adults" means "makes you feel disgusted" is crap and needs it's own label.
EDIT: You know what? This isn't a black and white issue, and the logic behind all sides is anything but consistent, so I'm done in this thread.
EDIT: You know what? This isn't a black and white issue, and the logic behind all sides is anything but consistent, so I'm done in this thread.
My head is spinning, this is too complicated to post all at once. I might come back later when I get my head together. But in the meantime
And with video games, I pointed out one instance where the objective happens to be mindless fun. So please don't put words in my mouth.
The fact is: "made for adults" doesn't mean "make you feel bad", and I don't want to feel what this scene clearly aims to make me feel.
Well, I think that's a good thing. Games doesn't have to be mindless entertainment. Thought provoking violence is accepted in movies, but for some reason not in video games. Why?I never said it's OK in movies, because it's not. And I never said that video games are mindless fun. No movie has ever been so explicit aside maybe from the Saw or Hostel franchise. And I'm not OK with either of those aside from the 1st Saw film because I felt there was a decent justification there.
And with video games, I pointed out one instance where the objective happens to be mindless fun. So please don't put words in my mouth.
The fact is: "made for adults" doesn't mean "make you feel bad", and I don't want to feel what this scene clearly aims to make me feel.
That's....
Why is it interactive?
Well it certainly does a great job of making you hate the villian. Hey, I'm all for that.
Being interactive only encourages the player to take part, though, which isn't cool. I don't see how it helps to let the player take part in the massacre if the whole point of the scene is to get the player to hate the bad guys.
GTA and other such games that caught crap are on a totally different level. Killing civilians is never actually the center focus of anything. And when it happens (when the player makes it happen) there are no efforts to evoke any particular emotions. You know, you never get the feeling that you're killing living thing. It's just random fun, and it's meant to be.
Here in MW2, the whole focus of this is killing civilians. And it's obvious that a great deal of effort was put into this scene to make it "feel" as close to home as possible. The point isn't random fun anymore-- the game makes a clear effort to make the viewer really feel like something bad is happening. And fuck me sideways if it doesn't do a damn good job, but I feel it's evoking emotions that a game has no business with.
No, this is a first for all sorts of media. Nothing like this has ever been so explicitly shown in any movie or game before. Body counts and the aftermath don't count, it's all about what happens when it happens.
Why is it interactive?
Well it certainly does a great job of making you hate the villian. Hey, I'm all for that.
Being interactive only encourages the player to take part, though, which isn't cool. I don't see how it helps to let the player take part in the massacre if the whole point of the scene is to get the player to hate the bad guys.
GTA and other such games that caught crap are on a totally different level. Killing civilians is never actually the center focus of anything. And when it happens (when the player makes it happen) there are no efforts to evoke any particular emotions. You know, you never get the feeling that you're killing living thing. It's just random fun, and it's meant to be.
Here in MW2, the whole focus of this is killing civilians. And it's obvious that a great deal of effort was put into this scene to make it "feel" as close to home as possible. The point isn't random fun anymore-- the game makes a clear effort to make the viewer really feel like something bad is happening. And fuck me sideways if it doesn't do a damn good job, but I feel it's evoking emotions that a game has no business with.
No, this is a first for all sorts of media. Nothing like this has ever been so explicitly shown in any movie or game before. Body counts and the aftermath don't count, it's all about what happens when it happens.
Probably just Clear Sky and Audiosurf.
Well this wasn't the problem. I fixed the compiler error but my displacements are still the same.
Should have known better.
You're a dick.
You're a dick.
We're coming back to this:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5300/worldcrafter27newoldhom.jpg
What can you tell me about this warning: found a displacement edge abutting multiple other edges
I believe it's linked to my displacement problems. Initial googling yields no helpful results.
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5300/worldcrafter27newoldhom.jpg
What can you tell me about this warning: found a displacement edge abutting multiple other edges
I believe it's linked to my displacement problems. Initial googling yields no helpful results.
So with the demo being free to everyone for the remainder of the demo period, who's changed their minds about L4D2?
Don't listen to Atom, he's crazy.
Cycler_sprite is the entity to use for model props. That is, unless you want your props to bleed.
Use the "-full" parameter.
And you aren't using Q tools, are you? If you are, you need to stop using Q tools and start using Zoner's tools or the "Super" tools found here:
http://twhl.co.za/forums.php?thread=16333
Cycler_sprite is the entity to use for model props. That is, unless you want your props to bleed.
Use the "-full" parameter.
And you aren't using Q tools, are you? If you are, you need to stop using Q tools and start using Zoner's tools or the "Super" tools found here:
http://twhl.co.za/forums.php?thread=16333
I'm a little puzzled on that first one.
How do you even hold it, and where does the liquid pour out?
How do you even hold it, and where does the liquid pour out?
What are all those yellow textures?
Anyway this is definitely a vis problem, probably having to do with the leafs.
At some point when you change altitude the game is rendering a different leaf that doesn't include your tree. Why it's happening when you're higher than the tree, I don't know. That doesn't make sense.
It's also possible that a vis leaf error is causing too much to be rendered, and is cutting out the tree model because it can't render any more entities. Though this is highly unlikely considering the low number of entities I see in your screenshot. Check anyway by using "developer 1" in the console, and check for a long stream of error messages saying that too many entities are onscreen.
Things I would try, if you haven't tried them already:
-Run a full vis compile first and foremost if you aren't already and make sure simply running full doesn't fix it. Or if you've been running full the whole time, try normal or fast to see if anything changes.
-Move the tree slightly up or slightly down.
-Change vis leaf size to be higher or lower.
On an unrelated note: you should replace the clip brush there with a transparent func_wall so that you can't shoot through the tree.
Anyway this is definitely a vis problem, probably having to do with the leafs.
At some point when you change altitude the game is rendering a different leaf that doesn't include your tree. Why it's happening when you're higher than the tree, I don't know. That doesn't make sense.
It's also possible that a vis leaf error is causing too much to be rendered, and is cutting out the tree model because it can't render any more entities. Though this is highly unlikely considering the low number of entities I see in your screenshot. Check anyway by using "developer 1" in the console, and check for a long stream of error messages saying that too many entities are onscreen.
Things I would try, if you haven't tried them already:
-Run a full vis compile first and foremost if you aren't already and make sure simply running full doesn't fix it. Or if you've been running full the whole time, try normal or fast to see if anything changes.
-Move the tree slightly up or slightly down.
-Change vis leaf size to be higher or lower.
On an unrelated note: you should replace the clip brush there with a transparent func_wall so that you can't shoot through the tree.
I was about to recommend the old-but-still-completely-awesome Wadfather website, but when I went to grab you a link I discovered that the Wadfather has finally shut down.
Well that's a shame.
Well that's a shame.
It's an hour into the first day of November. Let's get this party started.
Juno Reactor - Samurai after having discovered the "Beyond the Infinite" album.
By the way, can someone could tell me what Juno Reactor's "Magnetic" has been used in? The refrain at 2:35 and on sounds very, very, very familiar, and I can't put my finger on it but I swear to God I've heard it before.
By the way, can someone could tell me what Juno Reactor's "Magnetic" has been used in? The refrain at 2:35 and on sounds very, very, very familiar, and I can't put my finger on it but I swear to God I've heard it before.
No, you're fine.
It's quite common for displacements to clip through other brushes.
It's quite common for displacements to clip through other brushes.
Edit:
Video playback in Goldsrc?
Is this a spirit mod?
Is this a spirit mod?
They don't deserve a PC anyway. Fucktards.
Let's cleanse them.
Let's cleanse them.
Come to think of it, I don't even see a reason to use sentient computers for performing any of the tasks we use PCs for.
To build on my last post, even when [if?] we build sentient machines, I don't think killing a video game character would be immoral. The game itself isn't sentient, just the machine it's run on. Like killing someone in your own imagination.
Of course, if you use a super powerful computer to build sentient programs, it gets blurry because really you can just recreate the exact same program. Sure it literally lives, but if you kill it you can still remake an exact copy. Whether or not it's immoral to kill something that can be recreated in its entirety is up to you.
And then there's the issue of playing god because the super computer is essentially they're own little universe. There's a whole mess of ethical issues that arise.
Of course, if you use a super powerful computer to build sentient programs, it gets blurry because really you can just recreate the exact same program. Sure it literally lives, but if you kill it you can still remake an exact copy. Whether or not it's immoral to kill something that can be recreated in its entirety is up to you.
And then there's the issue of playing god because the super computer is essentially they're own little universe. There's a whole mess of ethical issues that arise.
No. No. No. And no on that last one.
Not until computers themselves are advanced enough to be considered sentient.
Not until computers themselves are advanced enough to be considered sentient.
Well, I know for sure there are at least two people on TWHL. Me and someone else.
You forgot me.Samefag.
Also
Because I'D know.Not a valid answer to "how do I know you aren't the same person as everyone else?"
This thread is now about the quantum observer.
Saw Adventureland on Teusday. It had it's moments, but ultimately it was ultimately a lame "nerd gets girl" story, which wasn't what I expected at all. It turned out to be more of a romantic comedy than anything else.
5/10 - will not see again.
Next up on my list, Pisma myortvogo cheloveka!
5/10 - will not see again.
Next up on my list, Pisma myortvogo cheloveka!
What, are we 4chan now?
Map a girlfriend. 
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3 of my friends and I co-founded a CS clan a few years ago called "IV." and we all dropped off the face of the clan about 2 years later.
Long story short, the clan degraded into nothing but wiggers over the years. Somewhere down the line, one of our more high admins, who also happened to be a big ICP fan but a generally cool guy anyway, decided to start recruiting little wigger pricks to keep our numbers high.
As the older members left, there got to be more of these little gangstas than the powers that be cared to keep in a cage and it would have killed the entire clan to just kick them out. So the people who who shared the original clan's ideals lost interest and eventually we just stopped paying for our servers all together.
That was probably totally irrelevant. It's better that you left. You don't like them, they don't like you-- everyone is better off. To be honest, the chat log makes you look like the dick. And nobody wants to hear that, but hey. You looked like the dick.
Edit: And Eric, if you catch this, it was all fucking Josh's fault.
Long story short, the clan degraded into nothing but wiggers over the years. Somewhere down the line, one of our more high admins, who also happened to be a big ICP fan but a generally cool guy anyway, decided to start recruiting little wigger pricks to keep our numbers high.
As the older members left, there got to be more of these little gangstas than the powers that be cared to keep in a cage and it would have killed the entire clan to just kick them out. So the people who who shared the original clan's ideals lost interest and eventually we just stopped paying for our servers all together.
That was probably totally irrelevant. It's better that you left. You don't like them, they don't like you-- everyone is better off. To be honest, the chat log makes you look like the dick. And nobody wants to hear that, but hey. You looked like the dick.
Edit: And Eric, if you catch this, it was all fucking Josh's fault.
Bott's beans are a just gimmick for fans, aren't they?
Oh, right. Sorry.
They used to come with Hammer, but haven't been included since 3.3 (3.4?).
You'll want to use Zoner's compile tools (aka ZHLT).
Download them here: http://zhlt.info/download-zhlt.html
Edit: Ninja'd by a penguin.
Note that the current version of ZHLT also being the previous version of Hammer is purely a coincidence.
They used to come with Hammer, but haven't been included since 3.3 (3.4?).
You'll want to use Zoner's compile tools (aka ZHLT).
Download them here: http://zhlt.info/download-zhlt.html
Edit: Ninja'd by a penguin.
Note that the current version of ZHLT also being the previous version of Hammer is purely a coincidence.
Use Hammer 3.5 instead of Hammer 4.x
http://games.softpedia.com/get/Tools/Valve-Hammer-Editor.shtml
Hammer 4 was built for Source mapping. It's possible to do Goldsrc mapping on it, but it's really complicated and there are known issues. 3.5 was the last build for Goldsrc, and runs independent of Steam.
Also, Hammer 4 doesn't render textures from WADs.
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/GoldSource_mapping_in_Hammer_4.x
http://games.softpedia.com/get/Tools/Valve-Hammer-Editor.shtml
Hammer 4 was built for Source mapping. It's possible to do Goldsrc mapping on it, but it's really complicated and there are known issues. 3.5 was the last build for Goldsrc, and runs independent of Steam.
Also, Hammer 4 doesn't render textures from WADs.
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/GoldSource_mapping_in_Hammer_4.x
As an ERROR model? You aren't using Hammer 4, are you?
I'm eating Jelly Bellies right now-- those random little jelly beans. They're tasty, save the god damn tutti frutti ones.
Peach has been my favorite flavor since I was a young lad with french vanilla coming in a close second.
What's your's?
Peach has been my favorite flavor since I was a young lad with french vanilla coming in a close second.
What's your's?
I just found this video from the Hard Rain campaign. I didn't know anything about this campaign but it looks really, really cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI2F6IJS4Lw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI2F6IJS4Lw&feature=related
Yeah, there's common, uncommon (map-specific with special features), special (6 of them unless they reveal a 7th), and tank+witch.
Jockey should be fun in VS.
Jockey should be fun in VS.
Click screencap to view. It's ~3 minutes.
I expect this to be on Steam soon enough.
I'm not going to lie, with all the new crap Valve has been showing off (actual ingame features, that is), Left 4 Dead 2 is looking pretty fucking awesome-- A lot better than the original (though I still feel the original characters were leagues better than these new guys). I just wish I knew this was coming from the beginning. The only thing keeping me on the fence about buying it at this point is that I already spent $45 on the original.
Edit: And fuck, whatever happened to the L4D SDK anyway?!
I expect this to be on Steam soon enough.
I'm not going to lie, with all the new crap Valve has been showing off (actual ingame features, that is), Left 4 Dead 2 is looking pretty fucking awesome-- A lot better than the original (though I still feel the original characters were leagues better than these new guys). I just wish I knew this was coming from the beginning. The only thing keeping me on the fence about buying it at this point is that I already spent $45 on the original.
Edit: And fuck, whatever happened to the L4D SDK anyway?!