This thread has 'bad idea' writtin all over it. People like Hunter who have actually been effected by this event can quite easily find the posts offensive and I do believe offensive posts are against the rules.
Close it please.
London
Created 18 years ago2005-07-07 07:13:38 UTC by
The Killer
Created 18 years ago2005-07-07 07:13:38 UTC by
The Killer
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 06:28:20 UTC
Post #120079
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 06:57:49 UTC
Post #120085
Mmm... can't see why people shouldn't discuss such a serious and major event.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 07:08:22 UTC
Post #120087
Aye. It would be pretty unfair to people who want to discuss this kind of things in public.
There are 999 days between this and the Bali bombing, by the way.
There are 999 days between this and the Bali bombing, by the way.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 07:28:50 UTC
Post #120090
Any of you remember carlos the jackal? Now that was a terrorist.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 07:39:14 UTC
Post #120093
London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
Culpability cover scenario echoes 9/11 wargames
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet | July 9 2005
A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.
On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.
Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.
Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.
Rest of article
Terror Expert Backs Up Claim Of Netanyahu Warning Before First Blast
Action News 36 | July 09 2005
Terrorism expert Tommy Preston of Preston Global in Frankfort, Kentucky, said sources in the intelligence community reported that at least one person in London, England was warned of Thursday morning's terrorist attacks moments before the initial blast. Preston, citing sources in the intelligence community, said former Israeli Prime Minister and current Finance Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was in London this morning for an economic forum. "Just before the first blast, Netanyahu got a call from the Israeli Embassy telling him to stay in his hotel room. The hotel is located next to the subway station where the first attack occurred and he did stay put and shortly after that, there was the explosion," Preston said.
Seventh: I know the sun doesnt technically rise, visually it does.
The Hunter: Don't get pissed at me because I question what's going on. I'm pissed at you for not questioning what's going on!
Culpability cover scenario echoes 9/11 wargames
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet | July 9 2005
A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.
On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.
Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.
Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.
Rest of article
Terror Expert Backs Up Claim Of Netanyahu Warning Before First Blast
Action News 36 | July 09 2005
Terrorism expert Tommy Preston of Preston Global in Frankfort, Kentucky, said sources in the intelligence community reported that at least one person in London, England was warned of Thursday morning's terrorist attacks moments before the initial blast. Preston, citing sources in the intelligence community, said former Israeli Prime Minister and current Finance Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was in London this morning for an economic forum. "Just before the first blast, Netanyahu got a call from the Israeli Embassy telling him to stay in his hotel room. The hotel is located next to the subway station where the first attack occurred and he did stay put and shortly after that, there was the explosion," Preston said.
Seventh: I know the sun doesnt technically rise, visually it does.
The Hunter: Don't get pissed at me because I question what's going on. I'm pissed at you for not questioning what's going on!
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 07:44:22 UTC
Post #120095
I heard on radio that there was a bomb scare in central Birmingham, in the midlands. Police had to evacuated 20,000 people from the city center and had to call in a bomb squad. But they dint find any bombs
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 11:47:26 UTC
Post #120127
'Al Qaeda is not and never has been a "terrorist organization."
"Al-Qaida, (sic) literally 'the database,' was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians," admits former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, whose Foreign Office portfolio included control of British Intelligence Agency MI-6 and the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ). - (http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1523838,00.html)
In other words, the so-called Al-Qaeda, which has been promoted by the Media Cartel as the cause of all bombings and terrorism since the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001, is simply a database of CIA trained "terrorists" (or "freedom fighters," depending on your perspective) which has become a convenient Global Boogeyman for the 21st Century.'
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 11:57:59 UTC
Post #120128
WE'VE HAD THE PROBLEM. WE'VE HAD THE REACTION. NOW HERE'S THE SOLUTION ...
ID cards 'wouldn't stop attacks' says buffoon Clarke, but they still want them because stopping attacks is not why they are being introduced.
'Identity cards would not have stopped the London bombings which killed more than 50 people and injured many more, Charles Clarke has said. But the home secretary said on balance he believed ID cards would help rather than hinder the ability to deal with particular terrorist threats.
He also suggested that in future civil liberties might have to be curtailed. Consideration would need to be given to checks on people boarding tube trains, ID cards and data exchange, he says.'
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 12:38:07 UTC
Post #120130
Robin Cook(e?) pwns.
Very interesting, though. Source?
Very interesting, though. Source?
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 13:30:13 UTC
Post #120145
Im sorry for the people who are offended by this forum
it never meant to go into 'off topic' - Terrorists
e.g
it never meant to go into 'off topic' - Terrorists
e.g
Any of you remember carlos the jackal? Now that was a terrorist.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 13:33:19 UTC
Post #120147
Robin Cook(e?) pwns.David Icke dot com, I believe.
Very interesting, though. Source?
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 17:15:35 UTC
Post #120184
Yes, but I insist. The perpetrators of the Madrid bombings had not been trained by CIA and probably never set a foot in Russia of Afghanistan. Who are these people then? Mercenaries for the new world order?
I'll tell you what they were: average people from humble families who had a bit too much of yihad in their heads and who were angry that Spain was such a better country than their own. They even cited events from 1425 in their letters, still pissed off that muslim invaders were kicked out of the peninsula so many centuries ago.
Now, this might have all been a setup, but I doubt it, since these men committed suicide a month after the bombings, killing a cop. Either they were a very stupid bunch of mercenaries, or it seems that terrorists actually exist, and come neither from Afghanistan or Area 51.
-No ID card scheme or oil war explains the years of terrorism in Israel.
-It looks like Bush is getting nothing good out out the almost daily Iraq bombings. These attacks were not part of their plan for world domination.
-Seems like Israeli secret services always know something is going to happen and pull their people out (WTC, London) and let others die.
And finally: even if Al Qaeda was actually part of a conspiracy (it seems more like its a kid you forgot to educate and now comes back to kill you), terrorism is something the world has seen many many times before 9/11, and different groups have different "motives" . I beleive that there are people willing to kill just for the heck of it, unrelated to any conspiracies and sometimes giving their life in the process.
I'll tell you what they were: average people from humble families who had a bit too much of yihad in their heads and who were angry that Spain was such a better country than their own. They even cited events from 1425 in their letters, still pissed off that muslim invaders were kicked out of the peninsula so many centuries ago.
Now, this might have all been a setup, but I doubt it, since these men committed suicide a month after the bombings, killing a cop. Either they were a very stupid bunch of mercenaries, or it seems that terrorists actually exist, and come neither from Afghanistan or Area 51.
-No ID card scheme or oil war explains the years of terrorism in Israel.
-It looks like Bush is getting nothing good out out the almost daily Iraq bombings. These attacks were not part of their plan for world domination.
-Seems like Israeli secret services always know something is going to happen and pull their people out (WTC, London) and let others die.
And finally: even if Al Qaeda was actually part of a conspiracy (it seems more like its a kid you forgot to educate and now comes back to kill you), terrorism is something the world has seen many many times before 9/11, and different groups have different "motives" . I beleive that there are people willing to kill just for the heck of it, unrelated to any conspiracies and sometimes giving their life in the process.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-10 17:19:31 UTC
Post #120187
Nice to see someone still remained untouched by the brainwashing techniques of jazhel.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-11 06:14:06 UTC
Post #120240
What brainwashing techniques of Jahzel?
It's horrible to see others remained touched by the brainwashing techniques of mainstream media.
It's horrible to see others remained touched by the brainwashing techniques of mainstream media.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-11 08:24:14 UTC
Post #120259
Media is media, The media will make a buck outa anything. I have found though that some conspiracys have been fake, most are. Very few every speak the thruth, but then the media, well.....
Terrorism is terrorism. If it happens, it happens. Its gonna be there no matter how much we try to exterminate it. The london bombings, until giving evidence from official sources. Remains a terrorist attack. To be honest Jahzel how could a 1,000 person drill ovvur at the exact some locations and times of the bombings? It doesnt make sense. Until the police are done with the forensics and all that i refuse to believe either 2 sides.
Terrorism is terrorism. If it happens, it happens. Its gonna be there no matter how much we try to exterminate it. The london bombings, until giving evidence from official sources. Remains a terrorist attack. To be honest Jahzel how could a 1,000 person drill ovvur at the exact some locations and times of the bombings? It doesnt make sense. Until the police are done with the forensics and all that i refuse to believe either 2 sides.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-11 13:11:26 UTC
Post #120305
Well, technically, the goverment could be called terrorists, so it is a terrorist attack in that sense.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-11 13:26:08 UTC
Post #120308
Yes, it would be a terrorist attack in that sense. But nothing indicates government involvement.
If mainstream media can't be trusted, why would other news on conspiracy sites be trusted?? The same rule applies.
It's quite funny that all these "warnings" and "coincidences" appear only after the attacks have ocurred. Predicting something when it has already happened is contradictory. And one of the reasons of knowing about attacks before hand is having something to do with them.
let's wait see what investigations come up with
If mainstream media can't be trusted, why would other news on conspiracy sites be trusted?? The same rule applies.
It's quite funny that all these "warnings" and "coincidences" appear only after the attacks have ocurred. Predicting something when it has already happened is contradictory. And one of the reasons of knowing about attacks before hand is having something to do with them.
let's wait see what investigations come up with
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-11 15:04:19 UTC
Post #120325
"The goverment" wasn't behind the attack. Goverment, as a subject, is a body of hundreds, if not thousands of people.
(From an article type thingy I'm writing, titled "The terrorist threat and the new world order", btw.)
(From an article type thingy I'm writing, titled "The terrorist threat and the new world order", btw.)
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 09:23:02 UTC
Post #120560
I know for a fact that the elections in the US werent faked cause I saw more Bush bumper stickers and signs then Kerry and most of the people I know liked Bush better than Kerry."He propably lives down in Texas or Florida anyway." Chuckle, even more.
Anyhow, I read a article in a big magazine over here. It said things I already knew, but it put them in a just light.
The same thing occured at both 9/11 and the recent london bombings. Nation leaders basically said '"They", barbarians, have attacked our "civilized" nation'.
I'd say to invade a country, seize governmental power, killing thousands, is quite barbaric. It doesn't matter if it's in the middle east or Europe, or asia, or America. Saying "They did it first" doesn't justify anything.
Bah, confused post, this. I think too much.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 09:23:55 UTC
Post #120561
As I expected, the attacks were done by casual citizens affected by the brainwashing effects of the jihad crap.
No room here for conspiracy theories. Very unlikely that the leaders of the New World Order contacted these young people to commit such horrible acts.
The situation is very similar to the one in Spain, with the added fact that the London terrorists made an attack against the land who saw them being born.
What a bunch of ungrateful and murderous pieces of **
(by the way, if the government wanted to use terrorism as a means of psycologically affecting people, they wouldnt have prevented the press from releasing images of dead bodies etc.)
No room here for conspiracy theories. Very unlikely that the leaders of the New World Order contacted these young people to commit such horrible acts.
The situation is very similar to the one in Spain, with the added fact that the London terrorists made an attack against the land who saw them being born.
What a bunch of ungrateful and murderous pieces of **
(by the way, if the government wanted to use terrorism as a means of psycologically affecting people, they wouldnt have prevented the press from releasing images of dead bodies etc.)
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 09:29:10 UTC
Post #120562
Yes they would, since they know how the public thinks. You can't possibly know how likely it is that they have contracted just anyone, by the way. Bah.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 10:21:49 UTC
Post #120564
Let's forget who is behind these attacks for a while because that way we won't be stuck here arguing about it for the rest of the day.
The government is blatantly exploiting the fear and hysteria these terrorist attacks have created in order to drive through their goals. One is creating so called "police state" by increasing surveillance and decreasing our freedoms. UK's Home Secretary, Charles Clarke, has already proposed EU wide monitoring of email and cell phones. The popularity of ID cards and other new kinds of surveillance is also surely rising, at least after the government and their friends over at the media are done with their little propaganda campaign.
The other thing is invading the Middle East. Bush's neo-con administration, now along with Blair and his boys, have been using these attacks and the Islamic terrorist threat as a reason for invading further into Middle East. They're now done with Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran is next.
The government is blatantly exploiting the fear and hysteria these terrorist attacks have created in order to drive through their goals. One is creating so called "police state" by increasing surveillance and decreasing our freedoms. UK's Home Secretary, Charles Clarke, has already proposed EU wide monitoring of email and cell phones. The popularity of ID cards and other new kinds of surveillance is also surely rising, at least after the government and their friends over at the media are done with their little propaganda campaign.
The other thing is invading the Middle East. Bush's neo-con administration, now along with Blair and his boys, have been using these attacks and the Islamic terrorist threat as a reason for invading further into Middle East. They're now done with Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran is next.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 10:33:55 UTC
Post #120567
If it was really a setup, they would've managed for the terrorists to be from the very heart of the Afghan or Iraqi Al Qaeda, thus supporting the idea of "Fighting terrorism abroad".
On the contrary, if the terrorists were contracted inside the nation, it could support the idea of creating a "fear everyone around you" atmosphere that would lead to tighter security, ID cards etc. But there's no official word about those measures yet, is there?
I was even more surprised to hear today on the news that there was no official national identification card in Britain, which was one of the things that made identification of bodies take so much longer than it did in Madrid.
On the contrary, if the terrorists were contracted inside the nation, it could support the idea of creating a "fear everyone around you" atmosphere that would lead to tighter security, ID cards etc. But there's no official word about those measures yet, is there?
I was even more surprised to hear today on the news that there was no official national identification card in Britain, which was one of the things that made identification of bodies take so much longer than it did in Madrid.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 10:59:41 UTC
Post #120579
Most people still have drivers licenses or some kind of identification.
Monitoring everyones movement, conversations and even thoughts is a sick deprecation (sp?) of our private rights.
Monitoring everyones movement, conversations and even thoughts is a sick deprecation (sp?) of our private rights.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 11:03:53 UTC
Post #120581
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 11:10:08 UTC
Post #120586
I was even more surprised to hear today on the news that there was no official national identification card in Britain, which was one of the things that made identification of bodies take so much longer than it did in Madrid.Gee, wow, let's have ID cards disgustingly infringe upon the rights of the British so that we can identify corpses more easily! What a brilliant idea!!!1 They only cost hundreds of millions, and we can off-set that by selling peoples' private information, demanded for the policy by law, to private companies!
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 11:21:53 UTC
Post #120589
? I didnt say ID cards, I said national identification document, which is something I have in my country and in no way displays any private information about me. It has no microchips or anything like that, it just serves the purpose of proving if I really am who I say I am...
by the way, there's something awfully wrong here:
by the way, there's something awfully wrong here:
Monitoring everyones movement, conversations and even thoughts is a sick deprecation (sp?) of our private rights.Taking people's lifes away is sicker than all the above mentioned. The first right or liberty of any kind should be the right to live. I dont want to be monitored or investigated, but I would welcome measures that prevent death. Even so, I still think the best way to fight terrorism and "new world orderism" is fighting ignorance through education. Agreed?
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 11:45:24 UTC
Post #120601
I hope the EU are monitoring my email, since I just sent several death threats to Bush's whitehouse.gov email addy. He probably doesn't check it, but oh well.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 11:51:49 UTC
Post #120603
Speaking about emails:
Subject: Goal.No response so far.
Sender: "Matti Perakyla" <jaardsi@mbnet.fi>
Date: 13.7.2005 11:26
Receiver: project@newamericancentury.org
Hi.
Is PNAC's goal creating a new world order run by the US?
Sincerely, me.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 12:48:57 UTC
Post #120620
The real bad bit is the database storing stuff, Kasperg. I'm not all that bothered about having data stored on a card ? I mean, why does it matter, they could just take the data from me ? but storing it elsewhere is a different matter.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 12:55:10 UTC
Post #120624
I understand.
It's something similar to the gmail engine reading through your emails and then displaying advertisements they think you will find interesting.
Or something like what we can see in "Minority Report", in which commercial posters react to each passer-by taking information from a database (triggered by eye recognition if I remeber well...)
This isnt good (well, it could be useful sometimes) and would benefit big corporations, that's for sure. But I still find it very hard to beleive that they need to use terrorism and death to impose this security/spying elements
??
It's something similar to the gmail engine reading through your emails and then displaying advertisements they think you will find interesting.
Or something like what we can see in "Minority Report", in which commercial posters react to each passer-by taking information from a database (triggered by eye recognition if I remeber well...)
This isnt good (well, it could be useful sometimes) and would benefit big corporations, that's for sure. But I still find it very hard to beleive that they need to use terrorism and death to impose this security/spying elements
??
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 14:34:16 UTC
Post #120636
No, I'm not accusing victim government of perpetrating in any of these, well, murders. There are, however, unpleasant politicians taking advantage of the situation, like the monstrous Charles Clarke.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 14:37:00 UTC
Post #120639
Their plans does not stop at brutally infringing peoples private lives. Eventually, a police state were free thinking is prohibited will be created. Jahzel can probably explain it alot further.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 16:47:50 UTC
Post #120659
How can you actually prohibit thinking
Right now I'm free to think whatever I please, without having to yell it out loud in the streets so people know. Are you referring to freedom of speech or something similar?
I think freedom ends when you are messing with someone else's freedom. For example, I dont think a guy who tells people that women should be badly treated can be allowed to freely express himself, causing others to follow. When this happens, his freedom of speech interferes with more important matters.
It's the same story all over again. You dont go around insulting people because you can hurt their feelings... oh wait!, I can insult everyone since I have freedom to express myself!!! ...
Right now I'm free to think whatever I please, without having to yell it out loud in the streets so people know. Are you referring to freedom of speech or something similar?
I think freedom ends when you are messing with someone else's freedom. For example, I dont think a guy who tells people that women should be badly treated can be allowed to freely express himself, causing others to follow. When this happens, his freedom of speech interferes with more important matters.
It's the same story all over again. You dont go around insulting people because you can hurt their feelings... oh wait!, I can insult everyone since I have freedom to express myself!!! ...
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 16:55:29 UTC
Post #120662
Yeah, that's generally accepted, Kasperg. Although often not enforced in the interests of 'tolerance' because there are too many violent amoral maniacs to whom those untolerated can turn. As oft illustrated.
I'm not sure how far you can push your human rights against people calling you names ;).
I'm not sure how far you can push your human rights against people calling you names ;).
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-13 17:00:18 UTC
Post #120663
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-18 01:31:40 UTC
Post #121735
I noticed most of those conspiracy articles came from a single person. That means that they could just be crazed hooligans who just want to cause trouble.
"He propably lives down in Texas or Florida anyway." Chuckle, even more.I live in Arizona
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-18 04:23:56 UTC
Post #121764
I live in ArizonaI'm impressed.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-21 09:01:16 UTC
Post #122445
check the news...
not again
not again
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-21 09:29:57 UTC
Post #122449
No reported deaths as of yet. :
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-21 10:13:01 UTC
Post #122460
looks at news shit....no deaths yet, just one injury and i heard that the injury was a failed suicide bomber. I think theres about 5 locations, mainly warren street and some university college hospital. Crazy mess down there...again, thankfully no deaths yet, i think all the bombs have either failed or havent been found yet. 
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-21 10:31:44 UTC
Post #122464
WHOA! Litterally just a minute ago some guy was found sneaking around downing street, he was just climbing over the fence when 2 officers caught him, from the pictures they werent taking any chances. Crazy 
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-21 11:26:07 UTC
Post #122495
If he really was a suicide bomber, I wish he succeeded and killed that bastard Blair, but he was a goverment decoy, so meh.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-21 18:36:11 UTC
Post #122597
Lol talk about n00b suicide bombers. Their bombs dont even go off right.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-22 08:42:49 UTC
Post #122671
A supposed terrorist was just shot dead by police. He failed to stop at the ticket desk and got chased by police down into the station (CCTV shows he was wearing a backpack) . taking no chances as he got to the station, they shot him dead.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-22 09:00:22 UTC
Post #122677
Yeah i wonder if he really had explosives in there?. but then again most likely as they have said he was believed to have been linked with the other bombers due to his name being found on some evidence taken from the raids urlier on this week.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-22 09:04:24 UTC
Post #122678
Well, this is the police state coming into effect. All people are shot on site, if they are suspected of anything, even if they are innocent. Goodbye freedom to walk around looking suspicious 
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-22 09:11:12 UTC
Post #122684
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-22 09:13:30 UTC
Post #122685
LOL
THat your hobby? Just walk around looking like the uni bomber all day.
THat your hobby? Just walk around looking like the uni bomber all day.
Posted 18 years ago2005-07-22 10:08:58 UTC
Post #122696
ive just turned on the tv to see more madness. How long is this going to go on? Ive also seen on the news that armed police have sealed off harrow road, a police operation down there is working on an apartment building where 6 shots have been fired but nothing has been confirmed.
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