Dunce Americans Created 18 years ago2006-04-08 11:58:23 UTC by satchmo satchmo

Created 18 years ago2006-04-08 11:58:23 UTC by satchmo satchmo

Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 19:20:18 UTC Post #173180
If ANYONE is being serious anymore, Please Tell, cause I stopped a while ago.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 19:24:23 UTC Post #173181
You destroyed my edit-possibilities, you evil man!

anyways.. i was going to comment on this:
Its called protection. Besides, guns make for good sport. Pretty much, the second Amendment (The right to bear arms) was created in order to provide a way for people to protect themselves from crime,
More weapons = More crime, ever thought about that? You are feeding the criminals with guns as you try to "protect" yourselves.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 19:30:36 UTC Post #173183
Acctauly, ive come up with the theory that if everyone had a gun, and everyone else knew that everyone else had a gun, then there'd be no crime :>
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 19:56:53 UTC Post #173184
Acctauly, ive come up with the theory that if everyone had a gun, and everyone else knew that everyone else had a gun, then there'd be no crime :>
No, that's totaly wrong, because people are generally stupid (I say ALL people here, not just americans) and will rather believe they can get away with it. It's not like holding nuclear arsenal and the theory of MAD (mutually assured destruction, yes, fits the abreviation very logically) where the mistake of one leads to the deaths of everyone else (including the guy who shoots).

I have something more to say about US society too. Your inability (or unwillingness?) to care about the outside world and others actions has made you the perfect swarm intelligence society: everyone is doing what he's told, without questionning their leaders why are they doing it. The lack of questions by the majority of the population makes everything pretty damn organised and effective. But there drawbacks too, and they are obvious. Ever heard a mechanic ask an engineer why he's supposed to construct the engine this specific way? Well, ofcourse not, but this increases the chance of failure by a lot - if the mechanic has no idea why he's doing something exactly the specified way he can't now if anything went wrong. While if he knows that this gear here operates that thing over there to result in this particular effect he can care about more then just the given blueprints.

Generations have made you the perfect tool in the hands of your leaders and this is not good for you at all. Better than brain implants, you carry a genetic burdain, only the most obedient have progressed and preserved their legacy.

I know it might sound a bit overexaggerated but it's true. Just take a look at how everything is functioning and you'll se what I mean.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 20:02:31 UTC Post #173185
You do realize that the only reason Britan was not anniliated by the French, or WWI was because of its isolated geography. Its was never too powerful to conquer. Just lucky. Could all this hate be because America defeated Britan in the Revolutionary War?

Its like Britan had an Awp, and America had a knife. Who won that?? Once out of 100 the AWPer is knifed and HUMILATED! Well, America (knife picture) Britan in Revoltionary War Server!

I mean what kind of country dresses up in Red uniforms walking in a line and stops, then fires in staggard order without moving??!!! LOL PWNED!!!

This all for the sake of fun BTW.

Oh, and ZombieLoffe: ".....and the weak mind of the woman." That is so true! :D :D :D

Now dont get me wrong, all that said was just to try to measure up to Joba's post. Britan has superb architexture, and a well sounding language :)

I just pulled out the big guns.....
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 20:02:59 UTC Post #173186
Replying to Luke
People have hands, other people know about it, and fist fights have existed for hundreds of thousands of years.
If other people don't have guns, you don't need a gun to protect yourself.
Pro-weapon arguments are usually nonsense too. You can use a gun for sport? I don't doubt it, but dynamite is used for mining and that wouldnt make it a good thing to have at home...
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 20:09:55 UTC Post #173187
PTS that is a philosophical belief that effects the entire world. I dont know if you knew the philosophical background of what you just said, but it goes much deeper. Influence by learned obediance, and mass agreement over law changes and molds peoples minds into social and acceptable integrity. It is the man who can overcome and see the truths and deception behind the world he lives in who thrives. Most philosophers fall into this catagory. Everything from 7-3 jobs, to cursing, sexual preferance, food, etc. Its all created by the mass acceptance of it. Saying people here go along with everything is SO FALSE. So much people here hate the war, and BUsh. That philosophy is applied to every aspect of life! Its hard to describe in a forum post, but I think I got through.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 20:13:51 UTC Post #173189
Xyos: BRITAIN - man, the theory of dumb Americans comes true. Seriously, everyone should be able to spell that.

Also, debating over who owes who what over something that happened decades, centuries, ago is fucking pointless.
"My dad saved your dad 50 years ago, if he hadn't been there you wouldn't exist GIVE ME YOUR LUNCH MONEY".

Things that happened before you (plural) were born makes no difference whatsoever.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 20:18:07 UTC Post #173190
Obviously to others here they do. That post was simply a retort to Jobabob.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 20:34:24 UTC Post #173191
Oh and BTW, satchmo, is Calculus hard? Im taking it next semester in college. I love math, so I think I will like it.
Calculus isn't any intrinsically harder than algebra or geometry. It does require a different type of thinking, nevertheless. It's more abstract than algebra or geometry, because it's less tangible.

However, it's essential in understanding physics. So in my opinion, it's one of the most important fields in mathematics.
satchmo satchmo“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett”
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 20:38:49 UTC Post #173193
Xyos: He was being sarcastic >_<.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 20:45:17 UTC Post #173194
:( I have trouble seeing the sarcasm in text :(

Thanks for the honest input Satchmo. :) I figured you would have some knowledge considering your a doctor :) (BTW which is rather impressive!)
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 20:51:59 UTC Post #173195
No, that's totaly wrong, because people are generally stupid (I say ALL people here, not just americans)
See! heres something we can all agree on!

Everyone is stupid; except us Geeks!
all that said was just to try to measure up to Joba's post.
That post was simply a retort to Jobabob.
Dude, Jobabob is rarely serious, get that through your head.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 20:57:51 UTC Post #173197
You have to agree that its rather hard to tell a joke from serious remarks if its said in a certain way. BTW sorry again then :(
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 21:39:54 UTC Post #173199
Wow! This thread has doubled in size since yesterday, and degenerated to the point where I'm not sure what we're talking about now :P

Satchmo: Truly inspiring story. I wish I had a small fraction of your drive and determination. However let's not over-simplify things. No matter how hard some people try, they could never attain what you have. Let's be frank here, you were born gifted and you should recognize that. Saying "hard work" is the only thing that seperates you from any other "idiot" is total bullshit, and you know it.

Aim some of your high-powered, "literary analysis" at my post again, and see if you can answer my original question. I wasn't asking you why you felt justified calling people "typical American idiots". Rather, I would really like to know why you feel you need to.

What do you have to gain? Who are you trying to impress by pimping your personal achievements and--in your mind--superiority?

I agree with your predictions about China, btw. China, India, and the former Soviet Union are economic/military juggernauts of tomorrow. Unless something drastic happens in the next 50 years, The U.S. is pretty screwed I'm sad to say :(

BrattyLord: These Anti-American, Anti-Conservative rallies are always an uphill battle. I've detemnined Libs have something missing in their brains, and no amount of discussion can "grow" that part of their brain for them :P

Gun Control: I disagree that allowing everyone to have guns would cause more problems that it would prevent.

What really needs to change in America are the penalties/enforcement for gun-related crimes. Make them harsh enough, and the small percentage of criminals who use guns to commit crimes will decrease still.

I would include "accidents" in this legislation for morons like Dick Cheney, and those who allow their children access to their guns--Columbine. This would also make people more responsible and serious about gun safety.

Punish the offenders, not the 99.9999999% of people that are responisble and abide the law with their firearms. Hold those accountable, accountable.

Jobabob and ZombieLoffe: Points for comic relief :)
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 22:25:53 UTC Post #173204
I just looked back at this thread and wondered why the hell my post is on page 3. I posted it when there were only 49 replies. wtf?

Im going to say this, for this is my word on it:
America: pretty much every inner city guy is dumb, most of the people in the rural areas are pretty smart. the southern half of the US is pretty stupid. Los Angelous has the greatest concentration of stupid people in the world.

Stupidness:
the average american isn't really stupid, they just don't give a damn about learning and are lazy. If your looking for some really stupid people look at most of central africa. they may have the ability to learn, but they can't and don't really try.

Guns:
guns are good if you try to prevent criminals from getting them.
a good way to put this
"When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns". just look at the brits.

bush and staff:
stupid.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-09 23:19:03 UTC Post #173208
No, that's totaly wrong, because people are generally stupid (I say ALL people here, not just americans)
Yeah, that reminds me of a bunch of quotes i found on stupidity...

"The American people are very generous people and will forgive almost any weakness, with the possible exception of stupidity." --Will Rogers

"Out! Out! You demons of stupidity!" --Dogbert

"Never give advice--a wise man won't need it, a fool won't heed it."--Unknown

"Being stupid is its own reward." --Unknown

"Aristotle taught that the brain exists merely to cool the blood and is not involved in the process of thinking. This is true only of certain persons." ~ Will Cuppy

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein.

"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." - Friedrich von Schiller

And thats just a sample.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 00:31:23 UTC Post #173215
Saying "hard work" is the only thing that seperates you from any other "idiot" is total bullshit...
I know that, and I admit to it. That's why I opened my post by saying "I'm smarter than the average American." But being average shouldn't excuse people from working hard. If anything, the average people need to work even harder to get ahead. But the sad truth is that most don't. Most would rather languidly wallow in their own laziness and stay ignorant.
Rather, I would really like to know why you feel you need to.
Why do I feel compelled to start this discussion? I intentionally tried to sound controversial. I wanted to incite strong emotions and anger. Why?

Because I am sick and tired of hearing fellow Americans arrogantly proclaim their inherent superority over other countries. Our country has become too proud for our own good, when the fact of the matter is that we are actually a country in decline. I want this to be a wake-up call. Jay Leno aired the show for laughs, but I see something more insidious.

Instead of recognizing our wide-spread ignorance, the general public just laughs at everything. I know the show wasn't intended to be a serious political satire, but the message came across as alarming to me. It's like a deathly ill patient who cracks jokes at his condition instead of seeking potential life-saving treatment.

I have a pretty grim view of the future. I believe it's already too late to save this once great nation. The glories days are a thing of the past. So why the wake-up call now? I want to make fellow Americans realize why they're dying, just before they crumble into a pile of dust.

At least we'll know how and why we died.
satchmo satchmo“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett”
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 01:40:10 UTC Post #173219
Check out George Carlin, Life is worth losing. He talks about how stupid Americans really are. He hits the nail on the head
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 05:07:31 UTC Post #173226
Im too tired to read this thread anymore, can someone close it as it will NEVER EVER END, can we just agree that a lot of people here are british and some people are american and the post title 'dunce americans' is rather racist and stereotypical.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 05:37:46 UTC Post #173229
the fact of the matter is that we are actually a country in decline
It's funny that people like Oscar Wilde or the American architect Fran Lloyd Wright said that "America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between" Wright also said that "Until we have a culture we won't have a true democracy"
Would you consider Wright's words anti-american? (he lived from 1867 to 1959), or was he trying to get people to meditate on that like Satchmo is doing?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 05:58:29 UTC Post #173230
Saying people here go along with everything is SO FALSE. So much people here hate the war, and BUsh
Yet you are still at war and area bout to enter another war (with Iran), therefor the majority of the people actually WOULD go along with anything. Check out Spain and France for example - the spanish have overthrown their goevernment because of the war in Iraq and in France people are actually caring about their future, they are arranging great demonstrations against bad laws and are even rioting.
Our country has become too proud for our own good, when the fact of the matter is that we are actually a country in decline
Totally true, this guy is really telling the truth. Take a look around you and see if you really are that great and awesome. And I'm talking about watching heroicaly themed movies about how the good americans beat evil nazis, soviets or arabs but actually looking after some facts.
m too tired to read this thread anymore, can someone close it as it will NEVER EVER END, can we just agree that a lot of people here are british and some people are american and the post title 'dunce americans' is rather racist and stereotypical.
We can agree on that, but why close the thread? We've finally went over the flames and are actually discussing something with valid arguments.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 06:28:45 UTC Post #173234
I really can't find anything to respond to here. Oh well, I'll just yell opinions and stuff. Socialism rules, all education should be free, taxes should be kept high and higher for the rich, equalize society!
Hooray!
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 07:01:15 UTC Post #173237
Hey i've got a joke, whats the difference between labour and the conservatives?

ba boom tish
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 07:11:55 UTC Post #173240
Heh...Anyway did anyone read what jobabob wrote above :
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Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 10:21:59 UTC Post #173251
Satchmo you are correct. America is too proud for its own good. Its a bitch to admit, but its true. We are so wrapped up in our own "greatness" we ignore our problems. I dont know how all these problems can be fixed, but I do not think we will eventually fall.

As for the determination vs. inherent smartness, Its all determination. Everyone is average, but due to envoirnmental influence, parenting, and values, they progress and learn that study is the only way to succeed. Only mental defects would be the exception. Believing you are born "smart" is thinking that was abandoned at the end of Feudalism. That kind of thinking lead to kings and Emperors with absolute power.

THis has been heard and said so much, but I will say it again:

"All men are created equal"

Its what we do with our lives and time which defines us, not our Heritage, geographic location, or anything else.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 11:11:25 UTC Post #173254
How we were raised plays a huge part in how we think when we grow up. If you grow up in a home were your talents aren't encouraged, but looked down on, seen as a waste of time - chances are you won't develop them and become demoralized. I'd say kids in poor households generally don't want to work hard and try harded because they feel they'll fail anyway. Another problem of society - the poor stay poor, the rich become richer. It's a neverending spiral caused by our capitalistic values.
I'm not saying it's better here than over there, it's all shit in capitalistic societies.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 11:37:20 UTC Post #173256
Xyos, you've been saying that America saved the english in WWII. I dont think so, by the time the Americans jumped in was Hitler already in his Barbarossa offensive against the russians, thus really admitting his defeat in the Battle of Britain, wich most of the times mean the first 10 critical days Britain survived.
You do realize that the only reason Britan was not anniliated by the French, or WWI was because of its isolated geography. Its was never too powerful to conquer. Just lucky. Could all this hate be because America defeated Britan in the Revolutionary War?
i'm pretty sure the only bit you know about WWI is that Germany 'started' it. Do you have any idea when i throw in the words 'Western Front' 'Flanders Field' 'Messina Ridge'. Probably not. So dont try to tell people England was actualy in iminent danger. Except from your night bombings not much happend there.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 11:38:17 UTC Post #173257
I'm amercian and I hate it. I mean I love how our country is a great place to live, but I just can't stand the majority of the population. Most of the "stupid people" you talk of are just that, stupid people. (soccer moms, mexicans) You will rarely see or talk to one of the MANY genious people that live here. Don't say that america is stupid just because you've seen a few dumb people.

China IS the future. My friends think I'm crazy, but I know I'm right, and I know they will grow up to be the stupid people you talk about. And these stupid people will run the country and make us do stupid things. I plan to move to taiwan to get away from the U.S.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 12:01:46 UTC Post #173260
You definatley are correct. China has the fastest growing economy, nearly 10% a year.

Lets state that 100 is the current economy of china, then here i have a simple calculation:

1x1.1^10 = 2.59374246

So in 10 years china's economy will be 2.6 times as big as it is now.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 12:40:51 UTC Post #173265
"All men are created equal"
However much I would like to agree with that statement, because it is politically correct to do so, I have to disagree.

Unfortunately, there are some people who are born with lower intelligence than others. And I am not just talking about those children who are mentally retarded.

Of all the species on Earth, Homo sapiens has the widest range of intelligence of all of them. There are individuals like Eistein, Newton, and da Vinci, whose intellect far surpasses that of an average human being.

And I have some acquaintances who are just missing a few bricks in their heads. Not to belittle them, but I know that wasn't the result of poor rearing or education. They just never had it in them to accomplish great things.

Diligence goes a long way, but it can only carry someone to his maximum potential. This inherent limitation dictates how much a person can achieve.

Being born geeks, as all of us are, give us an unfair advantage over the general population.
satchmo satchmo“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett”
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 13:11:47 UTC Post #173269
Indeed, which is why we should, if necessary, be called upon to support others. A sort of more productive and realistic communism, rather than trying to force everyone to be equal.
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 13:14:47 UTC Post #173271
I agree Satch. There is a massive difference between ignorance and stupidity, and most western countries have a reasonable standard of education. It should, however be noted that there is a definate culture of enforced stupidity amongst lower classes so to speak ie, if you showed the slightest bit of interest at most schools you're considered gay/uncool/teachers pet/wierdo. I've always wondered whether this inverted intellectual snobbery is somehow controlled or endorsed by society as a whole.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 13:32:21 UTC Post #173273
Thats a very profound thing to say Mephs. I always wondered why others conform to the wishes of their peers when it comes to "social acceptance". I always hated those people in High school who slept every class, and went to parties every night when they should of been studyin. They are the ones who want to be "popular" and think that being smart is uncool. I cant really say much yet for the concequence of their actions (I just graduated last year, and have only been in college for not even a year yet) But I can tell what their lives will be because of their laziness and stupidity.

I dont know if any of you have this problem, but in America it seems that most students want to be cool, and will do anything to get it. Drugs, sex, and sleeping in class. I think its who they become friends with, and who influences them. Every lunch in high school me and my friends would talk about those things. Even if there are those who know whats right to do, the majority of them are idiots. They are so ignorant of the social conditioning they are being fed, that they go along with it, and dont think for themself. I think its sad that I could go to the other side of my country and find "clones" of other peoples persona's. They all act the same, and make the wrong decisions.

Another thing I saw in high school (and see now still in college) is people blaming the professor for their failures. "Oh hes just too strict" They say. In fact its their unwillingness to prepare and inability to see themselves at fault that blinds their judgement.

When a man is ready to admit to himself that he is at fault and must change his ways, then he will truely progess.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 14:17:42 UTC Post #173281
ya say this was a TV show?

there's your problem. it was just TV, there could be alot of editing involved to make the public seem dummer than they really are. Reality shows are the worse, since alot more money is involved.

Consider the media in which you've experienced this. If you were the person asking the questions, then yeah. We're all chewbaca loving fuckwits.
Rimrook RimrookSince 2003
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 14:19:32 UTC Post #173282
First you have to realize you have a problem, which most of these "cool" people will never do.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 14:29:39 UTC Post #173283
if you showed the slightest bit of interest at most schools you're considered gay/uncool/teachers pet/wierdo.
I guess that's how I succeeded in school. I don't know why, but I am somehow immune to peer-pressure. In fact, I thrive on being different. And I wasn't just different by becoming a member of an alternative goth subculture or anything. I pride myself in being different from everyone.

I am proud to be geeky and a huge nerd. I was voted "Most Likely to Succeed" by my high school graduating class, which is a title that's euphemism for "Hugest Geek".

I was so nerdy and so confidently being so that I was actually popular because of that. That was a strange phenomenon in high school. By going entirely against what everyone thought was cool, I became a trend in itself. A popular cheerleader even asked me out to a dance. I just snorted at her because I've never talked to her before, and I thought it's just silly for her to go out with me because I was popular in a strange way.

Being confident goes a long way, and it may be the seed for success. If you believe in yourself, and I mean truly believe in your ability and potential, you're a lot more likely to reach your goals.

I think that could be the root of those who are stuck in lower socio-economic levels. They have no confidence, and they have low expectation of themselves and their offpsrings. So each generation basically prepares itself for failure right from the start. It's a cycle of misery that's extremely difficult to break.
satchmo satchmo“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett”
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 14:36:28 UTC Post #173287
It should, however be noted that there is a definate culture of enforced stupidity amongst lower classes
Now we're talking. You made one of the most correct points here. Imagine what it would be if everyone was smart and had enough material resources to go along with his life normaly: no one could'ave been manipulated by the mass-media, governments weren't gonna be winning elections with deception, large corporations wouldn't be so arrogant because everyone would be realising the situation and would be thinking of the logical consequences of one's actions. Also, if there were no poor people there wouldn't be shitty payed jobs and also noone would be buying from TV shopping either... And many other things too.
I think its sad that I could go to the other side of my country and find "clones" of other peoples persona's. They all act the same, and make the wrong decisions
Yeah, I have the same feeling too... pretty weird, theoretically there are about 9 billion DNA combinations and yet, people are so simillar. I guess everyone tries to be cool and doesn't care about uniqness...
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 15:56:12 UTC Post #173304
I'll just comment on the most dumbass thing I saw above concerning Americans blindly following their leader:
Yet you are still at war and area bout to enter another war (with Iran), therefor the majority of the people actually WOULD go along with anything.
What you said has no evidence, and is obviously wrong. If you lived here, you'd realize that a majority of the people critisize the government. It seems to be what our country is all about these days, critisizing our leaders. Yes, this is how we origionally started, but saying that the majority of people here would go along with anything is completely ignorant.

The irony of this situation; you constantly spit off random conjectures about things you don't even understand, yet you call us ignorant.

Someone who lives here knows more about this country than you, as strange as that sounds...

PTS, I really haven't seen you say anything remotely intelligent, which obviously does not give you the right to condem others.

Seventh on the other hand seems an extremely intelligent fellow, which actually forces me to contemplate his ideas and opinions.

Good day.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 16:09:46 UTC Post #173313
Criticising is one thing, taking measures is a milion miles from it. We have the damn facts in front of us, don't tell us we don't understand. There were elections after the war started and Bush got reelected. You say only dumb people voted, well, this is another prove that you don't give a damn or are too lazy to care.

Calling me unintelligent? I'm just trying to keep it at your level.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 16:13:37 UTC Post #173317
Not everything in this country revolves around foreign policy PTS.

besides, John Kerry, the man running against Bush, Really had no idea about foreign policy. He pretty much wanted to avoid it as much as possible, and never really gave a straight answer about anything.

The reason I believe Bush was re-elected was due to the fact that his opponent was a complete idiot. I know, I've met with John Kerry and John Edwards (Running for Vice President). They had no idea what they were getting into.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 16:15:56 UTC Post #173321
I'm really glad that you considered my opinions, as you say, and that you duly considered them. I can honestly say that I've become more, er, right-wing (but not less liberal) as a result of listening to others' opinions. Notably P. J. O'Rourke. What a guy. Anyway.
I was so nerdy and so confidently being so that I was actually popular because of that. That was a strange phenomenon in high school. By going entirely against what everyone thought was cool, I became a trend in itself.
Heh, heh, I remember finding the same thing around the middle of secondary school, with someone saying something like "hey, don't take the piss out of Alex, he's hard" <chuckles>. It was intended in a complimentary manner. It was really great how mature people got at the end of secondary school (in my sets), with the cool people and the geeky people all getting along pretty well in-school. A real laugh.
I think that could be the root of those who are stuck in lower socio-economic levels. They have no confidence, and they have low expectation of themselves and their offpsrings. So each generation basically prepares itself for failure right from the start. It's a cycle of misery that's extremely difficult to break.
Indeed. It's sad, and a reason why free education is an absolute necessity. Apparently New Labour feels otherwise, though</englishrant>.

PS: aren't Bush and Kerry related? I remember Jahzel saying so, but I don't know whether he was serious/right.
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 16:22:57 UTC Post #173325
fool! thats the Third Rule of Life:

"Never believe anything Jahzel says"

Of course they aren't related...

heh, I still remember Conan:

"she remarked that ' George Bush is the most brilliant man I have ever met'. The entire quote was; ' George Bush is the most brilliant man I have ever met who still eats paste' "
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 16:25:20 UTC Post #173326
besides, John Kerry, the man running against Bush, Really had no idea about foreign policy.
If I recall properly, Jahzel said Bush and Kerry were both sides of the same coin... I guess he meant things were arragned or something, dunno exactly. I'm not going to comment on it, cause it's all kinda illuminaty'n'stuff and I don't have any real facts, other than Jahzel's word.

^^ sarcasm up there ^^

Didn't noticed the other posts before replying:D Anyway, it's still valid. And actually Jahzel said some valid things. But look at him now, he's probably prospering, so I guess he wasn't insane at all.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 16:55:21 UTC Post #173334
Even in the world of sports, when Americans used to dominate the Olympics, the current competition is revealing signs of weakness in the U.S.

With its relative affluence and superior training facilities, American atheletes used to have an edge over atheletes in other parts of the world.

But in the last decade, the rest of the world has caught up. When Americans fail to win the Gold medal, its citizens seem outraged. They almost argue that somehow their atheletes have been deprived of the honor that's rightfully theirs.

Not only are Americans arrogant winners, they're even sorer losers.
satchmo satchmo“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett”
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 17:03:56 UTC Post #173338
"she remarked that ' George Bush is the most brilliant man I have ever met'. The entire quote was; ' George Bush is the most brilliant man I have ever met who still eats paste' "
Haha. I have no idea what you're on about, but it's funny.
I guess he wasn't insane at all.
I suspect it was an act in parts. An entertaining companion, though. I hope to see him again.
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 18:15:36 UTC Post #173372
And actually Jahzel said some valid things. But look at him now, he's probably prospering, so I guess he wasn't insane at all.
If you mean by 'prospering' that he's running around in a tinfoil hat attacking cars with 'satanic' license plates then I'm sure you're right. :P

Jk, Jahzel was great craic. :lol:
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 19:43:44 UTC Post #173383
olympics over the last century are quite an interesting subject satchmo, the americans used to win everything from the old numbers game, you simply had more competitors than everyone else because of a larger population (china/india were different back then). Then countries like russia came out of the blue to destroy the US winning streak with their hopeless abuse of drugs. Then australia came along and destroyed everyone using high technology, its a fun cyclical thing and itll be interested to see if a new generation of athletes will make a difference for us (thats us, the UK, not us, the us(a)) in 2012
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 20:33:06 UTC Post #173388
I did a little experiment:

I went around the streets of Chicago and polled random people about some basic Question. My results were VERY interesting.

Where did America fight the American Revolution?

"I don't know... France?"
"Oh, Germany..."

Tell me Something about Mongolia:

"Well, They send Chinease people there..."
"uh.. its a desert in Africa"
"Three people on horses in the middle of a desert"

Who wrote "Common Sense" as a protest to English Colonialism?

"Rosevelt?"
"Jefferson?"

Explain the government of England:

"They have a king still, right?" (Well, ya do.. ;) )
"umm... Anarchy?"

To be perfectly honest, most people I asked answered the questions correctly, even the "Common Sense" question (Which was Thomas Paine). I just wanted to share with you some of the humourously wrong answers :)

Yes, there are many ignorant people here in America, even about our own history... But of course, we have many educated people aswell.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-10 20:40:10 UTC Post #173392
ig?no?rant (ĭg'nər-ənt) pronunciation
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

[Middle English ignoraunt, from Old French ignorant, from Latin ignōrāns, ignōrant-, present participle of ignōrāre, to be ignorant, not to know.]
stu?pid (stū'pĭd, styū'-) pronunciation
adj., -er, -est.

1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

n.

A stupid or foolish person.

[Latin stupidus, from stupēre, to be stunned.]
Just thought I'd get the definitions straight.
And yeah, there are some brilliant people in america. There're even some brilliant republicans. But that doesn't change the fact that the world hates you. Clearly you're doing something wrong, eh?
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