Blue shift ending Created 16 years ago2007-06-22 07:23:59 UTC by Blue_shift

Yeah, hello I am new, well I had another account ages ago but lost the password...

Anyway, back on the subject. This has been on my mind for a long time and I really want other peoples views. At the end of Half Life: Blue Shift, Barney Calhoun escapes with Dr Rosenberg and two other scientists. Walter and Simmons. Now, in Half Life 2 there are two scientists, Dr Kleiner and Dr Eli Vance who both escaped from Black Mesa. Before I found out those two scientists in Blue Shift were called Walter and Simmons I was certain that those two were the ones that make the appearance in Half Life 2. Come on, it would link the story together perfectly. I know all the scientists look the same but if those scientists were called Vance and Kleiner then it would explain how them and Barney escaped Black Mesa and appeared in Half Life 2. I mean, where are Walter and Simmons now?Does anybody else agree with me?

I'm sure a few of them will make an appearance like Dr. Magnusson in EP2. I have my doubts about Barney and I think because it was a mod of sorts it will not be linked in HL2...Same for OP4.

I think it will all make sense in the end.
I bet Adrian (op4) did something to the story that will show in the end.

Blue shift is simply about how Barney got out of Black Mesa.
Nothing weird about that.
However, I do too wonder where those two scientist ended up.
But as I said, it will probably all make sense in the end.

I believe that Adrian Shepherd is the character you play as in Portal.

Portal is a separate expansion/mod whatever..
It has nothing to do with the Half-life storyline

And it is known the player in Portal is Female AND it links in with Half Life 2.

Anyway what I said earlier about Barney is silly. Isn't he the Barney we know in HL2 now? or is the Blue Shift Barney a different guy?

Habboi1: What?! How is it linked to half-life?

Habboi2: Same guy, although there were many barneys in HL1

Madcow: It has been known for a while now...When EP2, Portal and TF2 are out you can choose to play any of them. If you play Portal first you will learn something that ties in with EP2 and the fact it is in the same universe as HL2 with the combine energy balls etc...

And are you sure Valve are going to use him? He isn't a Valve character so it is up to Gearbox only to use him in my opinion.

Valve announced Portal wasn't going to tie in with the HL universe just recently.

Habboi: You might be right about Opposing force not being a REAL part of the Half-life storyline..
I mean, whatever happened to the whole alien race x?
And, how did they even get to earth?
Or, has this ben explained somewere during any of the games?

I believe it was said the Portal will still take place in the Half-Life universe, but it won't tie in with the Half-Life storyline.

Race X was just put into Opposing Force. The reason why there weren't in the original Half-Life is because after Gordon went into the teleporter to go to Xen then they came. Mostly there were just put into there for Opposing Force. Which was not a main point to the Half-Life story. That's why they're not in Half-Life 2. As you can see Opposing Force had nothing to do with the Half-Life series.

And Caboose:

Half-Life universe?
Yep. Although we don?t know where and when exactly it will take place, in an interview with IGN, Kim Swift confirmed that Portal is indeed in the Half-Life universe. This revelation has prompted a lot of speculation, including talk about the GMan being involved, and talk about who the bald guy you play as could be.

But for all anybody knows, Portal could take place on the Moon 100 years before the Black Mesa incident.

How does the Portal story fit into the Half-Life universe? How much work has gone into it?

Kim Swift: Uh, no comment? We've definitely thought about how the storyline's going to fit back-ends with the main characters in the Half-Life universe - Gordon's Half-Life world. But there's nothing we can really disclose at this point...

Doug Lombardi: You're not Gordon in a Portal. You're someone who hasn't been introduced before. You play a new character in the Half-Life universe. And you're basically a rat in a maze in this test facility - a test subject for Aperture Science laboratories.

The Half-Life story sucks balls (when you link HL1 to HL2). HL1 has a great story, and HL2 had a great concept, but they should have just made number two a seperate different story (like a spiritual sequel), it would have been easy, and less messy. It probably started out that way, but got changed to get some popularity points for being HL1's sequel.

Ok... What about the Vortigaunts? When do they get their own mod? Vortigaunts versus their enslavers versus Military versus Race X.

Plus you get to invent a load of new aliend weapon types.

How come no one thinks that Race X is possibly another name for Combine

Makes you wonder.

Point of view i guess would be some Vortigaunt named ______ who's slaving on Xen and there's a rebellion then something happens where you go to Black Mesa and this and that i dunno. We Could find out more about the Xen crystal thing and how Xen got involved in the mess. The whole thing ends with Voritgaunt freedom. So you'll have to do something crazy.

More uniquely, play as something from the Race X's point of view.

Hell we could do this all day...

The Timeline says the crystal was given to Breen so that he could make Gordon let the Combine in. They promised him power and he got tricked kinda. Clever how it all ties in actually.

@Habboi: Hm, I could've sworn someone linked a story in the ShoutBox recently saying Valve had announced otherwise.

Well rimrook, you're a jack of all trades when it comes to modeling and texturing and designing and audio and half life as a whole (pun sorta)

Blue-Shift and Opposing Forces stories are considered irrelevant by the true Half-Life purists seeing as they were only looked over by Valve, and made by different developers.

Who are these purists? Because I think that's a load of crap. The story for both of the expansions was written by Marc Laidlaw, just like the original was, and I don't think he would have just added in a whole other race "because he could".

@Rimrook: It's already a mod, you know?

I'm one of them. I got pissed off when I released Half-Life: Source's pistol holds 18 rounds, not 17 rounds.

Why did you just say you released Half-Life Source? Get the fuck out.

Scratch that:

I'm one of them. I got pissed off when they released Half-Life: Source. The pistol holds 18 rounds, not 17 rounds. Also, the SMG twists Gordon's arms when you fire.

srry: You should head over to the BM forum and see some of the endless discussion that takes place about whether or not Opposing Force and Blue-Shift should be considered in the Half-Life timeline.

I personally choose to ignore them, it never made much sense to me that the military that was always hell-bent on killing scientists are suddenly your allies in Opposing Force. I'm not even going to guess if the Blue-Shift Barney is the 'real' Barney or just who the scientist who escape with him are.

Doesn't mean I don't like the games, they just seem more like spin-offs than proper expansions.

The Blue-Shift Barney is the original barney. They cloned the other barneys from his DNA.

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Valve don't consider BS and Opposing Force to be part of the Half-Life saga either, so we won't be seeing any official sequel to the titles anytime soon. If it happens, it won't be from Valve.

Indeed it'll be Episode 4 most likely or so I hear on the HL2World Forums.

I personally choose to ignore them, it never made much sense to me that the military that was always hell-bent on killing scientists are suddenly your allies in Opposing Force. I'm not even going to guess if the Blue-Shift Barney is the 'real' Barney or just who the scientist who escape with him are.

You know in Op4 you are the military? Just a very special person in it who ended up in the right place, right time, with the right skills etc?

And its canocal that the Blueshift Barney is the real one, since he's the only one who can be traced from pre-cascade to escape. And the story was written by Laidlaw.

oint of view i guess would be some Vortigaunt named ______ who's slaving on Xen and there's a rebellion then something happens where you go to Black Mesa and this and that i dunno.

No the mod called "Point of View"

And if the issue isn't final Portal is Half-life universe Cannon. Valve said so.

I'm guessing Portal is pre-black mesa, seeing as how all the equipment (except the Aperture Science Handheld Portal Device (ASHPD (Adrian Shephard!?!?!?!))) all looks like old 70's stuff, like the terminals. It'll be interesting.

Hey man, there aint nothin' wrong with the 70s. Excuse me, I have to shop for some bells and pimp my afro.

I don't think so, ZL.

With portal, the gun seems to be more controllable. As for the old universe gun, it was just random.

Hell, i can't wait for EP2, TF2 and Portal.

I also noticed the similarity in scientists. It probably means nothing, though.

For example, we know Eli escaped with nothing but Alyx and that family portrait found in Black Mesa East. I saw no baby with Simmons!

Kleiner IS referred to as "Walter" back in HL1 - wikipedia says he is called as such both in OpFor and Blue Shift. OpFor, in the lab where you acquire the barnacle gun, I remember a recorded message left for a "Walter". Blue Shift's "Walter" is, well, the one we are discussing.

As for Shephard, we all want him to return. We all can agree on that, yes?

why the fuck would eli take his young daughter to a high security goverment test facility? he escaped black mesa somehow, and he lost his leg escaping. he didn't escape "with" alyx.

lay it down straight:

valve do not consider blue shift or opposing force parts of the official half-life timeline. so they can choose to ignore them.

if you want to get picky, the "real" barney is the one in blue shift, the one seen struggling to open the door during the tram ride in HL1. but, this is only because of blue shift, so if valve choose to ignore it, it can be any barney that gordon chooses to interface with.

valve announced that the character in portal is NOT shepherd, and is not a character seen before. they said a while ago that portal will effect the HL story, but later they announced that while it is based in the HL universe, it will not effect the HL storyline in any way.

shepherd is a character invented by gearbox, so it is doubtful, since valve is ignoring it, that he will make a return in any official valve game.

Maybe his family was in an on-site home?

why the fuck would eli take his young daughter to a high security goverment test facility? he escaped black mesa somehow, and he lost his leg escaping. he didn't escape "with" alyx.

If you've ever played the Decay co-op mode, Half-life for PS2, you go through the living quarters of the scientists. You can go into Gordon's too, I believe.
I say that because the scientists probably never left the facility, and instead lived in dorms on site. Alyx would have to live there as well if she was to be cared for, since I forgot what happened to his wife.

Decay revealed a few minor details of the Half-life storyline, but nothing that really affected it. Things like the delivery lift getting stuck and such.

which was also made by gearbox. integrity, people!

I read somewhere that Alyx was in the Dormitory area when it all happened. Maybe Eli ran to get her.

I didn't know Decay was made by Gearbox...Well I'll be.

You know in Op4 you are the military?

Yes, I typed that out wrong. It still makes very little sense that the scientists and security guards are actually giving you a hand in Opposing Force.

As for the rest of this discussion, Penguinboy hit the nail on the head, maybe not about Alyx (no one but Valve knows for sure), but the rest is all spot on.

It is most likely that Eli and Kleiner only escaped Black Mesa because they were close to the surface.

Kleiner, we have no idea. Eli was in the Anomalous Materials sector (he's the one who, immediately after the resonance cascade, tells Gordon to reach the surface and signal for rescue), which in ways was pretty close to the surface (a little bit of tram here and there and you're outside, who knows? Maybe the tram system in that area worked, or at least long enough for Eli to get away).

And they live in the dormitory because think about it. Who would have patience to drive to Black Mesa? It gets its supplies from some city in New Mexico. BY RAIL. Who wants to take a taxi, a train, and a tram all the way to work each day? Nobody I know.

...and the scientists and security guards help because, to quote the scientist who saves you...

"I thought you soldiers were here to rescue us, but apparently we are all in the same...err...position now."

Or something like that. Plus not everyone learned of the HECU's hostility until after they were shot dead. Some scientists you meet in OpFor DO take you for a foe at first (IIRC some scientist asks if we can get along or something).

The HECU's original orders are to contain it all, that means no survivors.

Opposing Force just needed an excuse to keep the scientists and security guards useful, that's all. In terms of story, it makes no logical sense considering the events of Half-Life.

But, like I said earlier, it doesn't matter. The games are still enjoyable.

Shephard and the guys with him on that chopper didn't get a briefing. So it's totally logical, that he - and a few other grunts - don't know what to do: to kick some scientist balls.

It's another question, that how in the fuck did SO many soldiers survive without a briefing...in fact almost all of them (in OP4)

When they leave you behind (missing in action), it makes also sense, that the soldiers don't give a fuck about the previous orders anymore, because they want to survive, and that's a bit easier if they cooperate with the scientists and guards, instead of killing them. I agree, that it's not the same, as in HL - because in HL, eaven after they pull out, the remaining soldiers still want to rip you're asshole inside out.

I agree, that it's not the same, as in HL - because in HL, eaven after they pull out, the remaining soldiers still want to rip you're asshole inside out.

Of course they do..
They are still trying to find a way out of there, and if they accedently bump into freeman then why not kill him?
I mean, he WAS the primary objective, and he might be the cause of the mess.
He is a criminal! Kill him!

And in Op4, you never meet any soldier who has been in contact with freeman (probably because he killed all of those who he met)
So, I say that it still makes sense.

They think if they kill Freeman it will undo the resonance cascade. Or at least all the retarded HL1 HECUs do. I HATE THE HL1 HECUS! </rant>

That or Gordon is used to killing HECUs from before they began pulling out. As a result Gordon now shoots HECUs on sight. The HECUs are aware of this by means of their really bad-quality radio connections and think he's trying to stop them from escaping.

Or at least all the retarded HL1 HECUs do. I HATE THE HL1 HECUS!

They made better enemies then CP's and overwatch.

[QUOTE]They made better enemies then CP's and overwatch.[/QUOTE]
True. But their horrible voices are just killer (in the bad sense).

You can't capitalize your quote tags.

They made better enemies then CP's and overwatch.

That is true. I actually had to attempt to put up a fight with them.

CP's and Overwatch and such, they were a couple pistol shots to the noggin', or a nice little spray from the SMG. Soldiers were a different story (which makes me wonder how the combine managed to overrun Earth).

HECU actually were able to kill me to, Combine failed...

(well now come to think of it, combine overran Earth cuz Freeman killed most the HECU =D)

But their horrible voices are just killer (in the bad sense).

I kinda liked 'em. When I started playing HL, I stopped often to hear wtf they are talking about