This is another Sphere challenge.
Geometry Challenge #4:
Make a 12 sided hollow sphere that compiles without error.
Happy Mapping.
Geometry Challenges
Created 16 years ago2008-01-07 20:44:51 UTC by
Captain Terror
Created 16 years ago2008-01-07 20:44:51 UTC by
Captain Terror
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-13 13:03:23 UTC
Post #243347
I can do this quite easily, But it's time for you guys.
This is another Sphere challenge.
Geometry Challenge #4:
Make a 12 sided hollow sphere that compiles without error.
Happy Mapping.
This is another Sphere challenge.
Geometry Challenge #4:
Make a 12 sided hollow sphere that compiles without error.
Happy Mapping.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-13 13:36:36 UTC
Post #243351
Same problem here: disappearing faces...
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6b64a71b6f.png
Looks like a Hammer bug.
EDIT: (Can't join the upper ring of vertices to finish the sphere...)
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6b64a71b6f.png
Looks like a Hammer bug.
EDIT: (Can't join the upper ring of vertices to finish the sphere...)
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-13 14:09:56 UTC
Post #243352
Yeah. I've tried at least 6 times, and i kept getting the same error, i just don't think the editor is build for it. IMO.
and i just noticed:
and i just noticed:
Tetsu0: lol nice photshop!Photoshop what?
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-13 17:27:33 UTC
Post #243362
Yeah for # 3 I don't think it's possible (with hammer anyway) to make it without error and only one brush... I'll try it again later maybe, but now on to number 4! Hollow sphere here we come... = )
Tetsu0: your avatar, or is that a mask!
Muzzleflash: that seriously sucks. I hope you figure it out without reformating!
Tetsu0: your avatar, or is that a mask!
Muzzleflash: that seriously sucks. I hope you figure it out without reformating!
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-13 17:46:51 UTC
Post #243363
It's a mask Captain 
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-13 22:00:33 UTC
Post #243368
Behold, the ugliest dodecahedron evvvar:
http://captain0terror.googlepages.com/geometry40002.zip
Was quite a pain in the ass! Thanks Tetsu0 for a fun challenge! = ) Cant wait to see what the others come up with!
http://captain0terror.googlepages.com/geometry40002.zip
Was quite a pain in the ass! Thanks Tetsu0 for a fun challenge! = ) Cant wait to see what the others come up with!
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-14 00:29:20 UTC
Post #243370
Oh no Captain Terror, I think you might have misunderstood what i meant by the challenge. That's a big fault on my part as well. 
To explain better, i quote redka :
I do apologize Captain, as your dodehedrathingamawhat was well crafted.
To explain better, i quote redka :
Create a sphere from one brush, which looks like as a 10 sided prism in the 2D views.My challenge is a lot like Redka's only instead of one brush, it's multiple brushes, and instead of a 10 sided prism, it would have 12 sides.
I do apologize Captain, as your dodehedrathingamawhat was well crafted.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-14 08:34:12 UTC
Post #243393
Crap. = ) oh well it was fun to make anyway.
Here's my new #4 entry: (the sphere is hollow, you just have to noclip inside)
http://captain0terror.googlepages.com/geometry4.zip
A lot easier than the dodecagator fo sho! : P
Here's my new #4 entry: (the sphere is hollow, you just have to noclip inside)
http://captain0terror.googlepages.com/geometry4.zip
A lot easier than the dodecagator fo sho! : P
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-14 09:00:09 UTC
Post #243394
It is not fully symmetrical, from the side views it looks like as a 18 sided prism and is not a perfect circle. BUT I need to shut my mouth, because I just cant create it with Hammer. My vertex points in game were not in the correct position or I got many errors in my compile. With Quark it is just takes me 5 minutes or less, I wonder how to make you guys it with Hammer. 
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-14 14:20:07 UTC
Post #243415
Very Well done Captain, Although it is not 12 sides, you did do that other... thing... before so you deserve this win.
Your choice for Geometry Challenge #5
Redka, If you go to my youtube channel, i Explain how (with a video) to make a dome with hammer using all valid brushes. The same thing applies to spheres, only you basically make 2 domes and join them at the middle with another group of brushes... kinda like this:
{ + [] + } = {[]} = Sphere.
Kinda..
Your choice for Geometry Challenge #5
Redka, If you go to my youtube channel, i Explain how (with a video) to make a dome with hammer using all valid brushes. The same thing applies to spheres, only you basically make 2 domes and join them at the middle with another group of brushes... kinda like this:
{ + [] + } = {[]} = Sphere.
Kinda..
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-14 17:38:12 UTC
Post #243429
I created only the 1/8 of it and copy, paste and rotate it. But:
The red lines are just for showing the diffenrece between the angles. Just wanted to make it totaly perfect...and I failed... :
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-14 18:26:58 UTC
Post #243434
Tetsu0: Yay! I followed your dome tutorial so thanks to you! = ) Do you use HLFix on your dome?
I don't really know what you mean by 12 sides tho, I mean at the top where the slices of the sphere come together, there are 12... that's what I thought you meant (or 3 wedges per 90 degrees).
I'll come up with a compo 5 in a little while!
Redka: Yeah like the first one is how i did it too. I can't get the sides to line up after compile perfectly without using HLFix (I would highly recommend anyone using hammer to use it).
Someone said in mapping tips you can use the arch tool to make domes, but i dunno... actually I think there is an old VERC tutorial about it : /
I don't really know what you mean by 12 sides tho, I mean at the top where the slices of the sphere come together, there are 12... that's what I thought you meant (or 3 wedges per 90 degrees).
I'll come up with a compo 5 in a little while!
Redka: Yeah like the first one is how i did it too. I can't get the sides to line up after compile perfectly without using HLFix (I would highly recommend anyone using hammer to use it).
Someone said in mapping tips you can use the arch tool to make domes, but i dunno... actually I think there is an old VERC tutorial about it : /
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-14 18:48:10 UTC
Post #243436
No i don't use HLFIX for anything i do. If i can't create a valid brush, then i don't. 
I have not tried making a dome with the arch tool. But i think i might know how to do so... in-fact. I'm gonna try right now.
Redka, the way i do it is..thusly: Since a 12 sided cylinder has 3 wedges per 90 degrees, as captain terror mentioned, one of those sides HAS to be a 45 degree angle.
We all know that Hammer doesn't like anything that's not a 45 deg, or 90 deg angle. So i only make the 45 deg angle brushes at different angles at either end. If that confuses you... here's a pic explaining what i mean.
You can see from this pic that the top, bottom, left, and right sides, when flipped, will all be facing in a good direction. And as for the 45 deg angle, as long as you make the sheer in each direction symmetrical, there will be no errors in your map.
So. 8, 12, 24 sides.. are all good to use for curves and domes and spheres and such. Anything that's going to be hollow, anyway.
I have not tried making a dome with the arch tool. But i think i might know how to do so... in-fact. I'm gonna try right now.Redka, the way i do it is..thusly: Since a 12 sided cylinder has 3 wedges per 90 degrees, as captain terror mentioned, one of those sides HAS to be a 45 degree angle.
We all know that Hammer doesn't like anything that's not a 45 deg, or 90 deg angle. So i only make the 45 deg angle brushes at different angles at either end. If that confuses you... here's a pic explaining what i mean.
So. 8, 12, 24 sides.. are all good to use for curves and domes and spheres and such. Anything that's going to be hollow, anyway.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-14 18:55:23 UTC
Post #243438
Geometry challenge #5: Make a hypercube.
Since nobody knows what they really look like, you can really make it whatever you want, but it should look super fancy and exoticly cubish. (If you're struggling for ideas, image search "hypercube", 4-dimensional, or check out one of the many web pages dedicatated to them.
Tetsu0:It's amazing you can do that dome without HLFix...
Imo hammer is flakey enough with brush errors to have to worry about seams that look fine in-editor, and then mess up (overlap inexplicably, look jagged) after compile; HLFix eliminates that annoyance!
Since nobody knows what they really look like, you can really make it whatever you want, but it should look super fancy and exoticly cubish. (If you're struggling for ideas, image search "hypercube", 4-dimensional, or check out one of the many web pages dedicatated to them.
Tetsu0:It's amazing you can do that dome without HLFix...
Imo hammer is flakey enough with brush errors to have to worry about seams that look fine in-editor, and then mess up (overlap inexplicably, look jagged) after compile; HLFix eliminates that annoyance!
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-14 20:10:27 UTC
Post #243441
Thanks :D. I have an extreme amount of patience i guess.
Here's my "HyperCube"
http://rapidshare.com/files/83854729/hypercube.zip.html
and a screenie :
But i CANT win this one because i won the last one. So someone else needs to participate as well.
Here's my "HyperCube"
http://rapidshare.com/files/83854729/hypercube.zip.html
and a screenie :
But i CANT win this one because i won the last one. So someone else needs to participate as well.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-15 07:04:48 UTC
Post #243466
Hollow spheres isn't really a challenge using Snarkpit's great hollow sphere tutorial. Don't know if it's been mentioned, but it kicks ass.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-15 12:54:36 UTC
Post #243481
Does the scaling create invalid brushes??
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-15 15:11:18 UTC
Post #243485
So my Hypercube is totaly different from Tetsu0's one. Mine looks like in the 2D views as a drawn 3D cube, but it contains 8 pieces of brushes, and two of them are perfect cubes. I know that my cube in the 2D views is not symmetrical, because the lenght of the edges are not the same, but I have found it out after I finished, and I dont feel like creating another one (too lazy).
download my hypercube here
download my hypercube here
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-15 18:52:11 UTC
Post #243489
I pick redka's hypercube(s) for the win unless somebody else has one. So Redka or someone new start us off on #6!
Zombie: I guess you say it's "great" because you tried the tutorial and made one?! Please post your sphere so we may touch it! = )
I'm going to give it a try but I'm guessing it will be filled with compile/HOM errors... we'll see!
Was anybody able to find the VERC sphere tutorial? (maybe it doesn't exist, lol).
Zombie: I guess you say it's "great" because you tried the tutorial and made one?! Please post your sphere so we may touch it! = )
I'm going to give it a try but I'm guessing it will be filled with compile/HOM errors... we'll see!
Was anybody able to find the VERC sphere tutorial? (maybe it doesn't exist, lol).
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-15 21:13:08 UTC
Post #243502
Verc tutorial without pictures I think it is the same as Snarkpit's tut.
No one else is interested in these challenges or are they just slothful? This is a 3 of us challenge, I mean there are plenty of good mappers here, where are they...
For the geometry challenge #6, hmm:
Create a fancy column, just the decorated one, no more obligation given, it is up to you how it looks like; can be greek, roman, any modern one,... anything which needs a little brushwork. The winner is that who gets the most votes, because beauty comes from a subjective aspect.
No one else is interested in these challenges or are they just slothful? This is a 3 of us challenge, I mean there are plenty of good mappers here, where are they...
For the geometry challenge #6, hmm:
Create a fancy column, just the decorated one, no more obligation given, it is up to you how it looks like; can be greek, roman, any modern one,... anything which needs a little brushwork. The winner is that who gets the most votes, because beauty comes from a subjective aspect.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 03:20:14 UTC
Post #243510
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 09:26:51 UTC
Post #243516
Quite nice job, waiting for further entries...hopefully now we get more...
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 09:31:05 UTC
Post #243517
If only i could SELECT ANYTHING in the 3D window! Selecting a face in the 3D window while in Texture Application Tool doesn't do anything either!
Only Joost knows why it stopped working... Argh.
Only Joost knows why it stopped working... Argh.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 13:32:24 UTC
Post #243522
Hammer desperately needs a Snap To Face, Snap To Edge, and Snap To Vertex.
EDIT: and some kind of renderable spline (or path based geometry) for easy trimming, railing, wires, and so on. VM-ing all that is a pain in the ass.
EDIT: and some kind of renderable spline (or path based geometry) for easy trimming, railing, wires, and so on. VM-ing all that is a pain in the ass.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 14:33:44 UTC
Post #243524
Snap To Face, Snap To Edge, and Snap To Vertex.Whats the difference?
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 16:03:14 UTC
Post #243528
Basically not having to worry about the grid.
At least that's what i think Rimrook means.
Having angled edges snap to faces so the face becomes the plain.??
At least that's what i think Rimrook means.
Having angled edges snap to faces so the face becomes the plain.??
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 17:42:17 UTC
Post #243533
My #6 will be up soon... (having some lighting difficutly)
Tetsu0: pretty sweet from the screen! I'll dl and check it out further.
Redka:I wonder too why other people don't join the challenges, but i wish they did! (we could use some new blood/ideas) Maybe we should do a poll!:
Why don't you participate in the geometry challentes?
1. I don't like geometry
2. I don't like challenges
3. I'm afraid of the unknown
: P
Muzzleflash: Ur using Vista?
Tetsu0: pretty sweet from the screen! I'll dl and check it out further.
Redka:I wonder too why other people don't join the challenges, but i wish they did! (we could use some new blood/ideas) Maybe we should do a poll!:
Why don't you participate in the geometry challentes?
1. I don't like geometry
2. I don't like challenges
3. I'm afraid of the unknown
: P
Muzzleflash: Ur using Vista?
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 17:58:09 UTC
Post #243535
Ur using Vista?No, XP. Thats why its so strange, i never had functionality problems with Hammer on XP before... I guess my system is just clogged with crap.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 18:08:52 UTC
Post #243536
It's just so strange... Any problem I've ever had with hammer was fixed with just shutting it down and starting the program again... Strange too that reinstalling it doesn't do anything. Maybe seek new installation files? /reaching
When I upgraded my computer I just copied the directory structure from one comp to the other and it worked, is still working good with no troubles. I didn't think it would work but if it ain't broke i guess... = )
When I upgraded my computer I just copied the directory structure from one comp to the other and it worked, is still working good with no troubles. I didn't think it would work but if it ain't broke i guess... = )
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 18:13:34 UTC
Post #243537
Are you using the Beta? Did you try using Hammer 3.4 instead of 3.5?
Install to a different location? (Mine is on a folder on my desktop) Could it be a graphics driver problem? How about mouse drivers? Have you apologized to your computer recently?
I don't know mang.
Install to a different location? (Mine is on a folder on my desktop) Could it be a graphics driver problem? How about mouse drivers? Have you apologized to your computer recently?
I don't know mang.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 18:41:52 UTC
Post #243542
K here's my number 6, simple fluted columns:
http://captain0terror.googlepages.com/geometry60000.zip
I'm having problem weird shadows on some of the small brushes, and I can't seem to get my light environment to work (hence the weird texture lighting) If someone can be bothered to check out these problems I'd be grateful! The columns are also fatter/blockier than I'd like but I'm not redesigning them. = )
Tetsu0: RapidShare says:
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http://captain0terror.googlepages.com/geometry60000.zip
I'm having problem weird shadows on some of the small brushes, and I can't seem to get my light environment to work (hence the weird texture lighting) If someone can be bothered to check out these problems I'd be grateful! The columns are also fatter/blockier than I'd like but I'm not redesigning them. = )
Tetsu0: RapidShare says:
You have reached the download-limit for free-users. Want to download more?
sign up for a premium account.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 19:28:00 UTC
Post #243552
Ohhhh sonofabitch.
What's another good hosting site? That's free and easy?
What's another good hosting site? That's free and easy?
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 19:31:29 UTC
Post #243555
I use gmail to host, but it's only 100 mb. sign up for gmail if you feel like it.. it's pretty easy with no restrictions. once you sign up, point your browser to:
http://pages.google.com/
and it will show you the upload section.
http://pages.google.com/
and it will show you the upload section.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 19:36:36 UTC
Post #243557
Ahhh Captain Terror, you're my hero for the day!!
I already use Gmail for my mail and had no idea it has free hosting :))
http://brettpcg.googlepages.com/column.zip
Is the correct link.
I already use Gmail for my mail and had no idea it has free hosting :))
http://brettpcg.googlepages.com/column.zip
Is the correct link.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 19:58:00 UTC
Post #243559
Yeah, not having much time due to the on-going exam session, I'd like to show my non-textured column, out of competition, just to have some feedback!
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 20:06:07 UTC
Post #243560
Ant222: I'm at an internet hotspot and it's blocking your host! I'll check it out tonight and nice to see you back! : )
Tetsu0: Columns look great in-game, and the glass texture looks cool, and they're scaled nicely. but maybe you could adjust the texture scaling/lighting to accent the flutes a little better...I mean they look good, but they could look better. (there hard to see imo)
Tetsu0: Columns look great in-game, and the glass texture looks cool, and they're scaled nicely. but maybe you could adjust the texture scaling/lighting to accent the flutes a little better...I mean they look good, but they could look better. (there hard to see imo)
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 20:24:08 UTC
Post #243565
I can't edit my previous post for some reason, maybe it's an Opera bug... So, for those not being able to see my screenshot, here's an Imageshack link:
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 20:31:19 UTC
Post #243568
Whoa that's sweet! Looks like a tree or freaky tentacle WIN! = )
I don't think you can edit unless you have the last post....
Btw figured out a couple of my aformentioned problems:
-light_environment wasn't working because of my sky brushes weren't textured every face with sky.
-the light was coming through brush seams because of some off-grid verticies.
I don't think you can edit unless you have the last post....
Btw figured out a couple of my aformentioned problems:
-light_environment wasn't working because of my sky brushes weren't textured every face with sky.
-the light was coming through brush seams because of some off-grid verticies.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 20:38:53 UTC
Post #243569
Captain Terror: ?WIN! = )?
Wait. It's redka's compo, right? And the winner is to be 'elected'?
Wait. It's redka's compo, right? And the winner is to be 'elected'?
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 20:40:02 UTC
Post #243570
Yeah I was just sayin ; )
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 20:45:26 UTC
Post #243571
Oh, glad to hear that!
I am not ready to start a new compo. In fact, I gotta go to bed right now, so good night! Hope there'll be more columns tomorrow...
BTW, does this forum support e-mail notifications? I just can't figure it out...
I am not ready to start a new compo. In fact, I gotta go to bed right now, so good night! Hope there'll be more columns tomorrow...
BTW, does this forum support e-mail notifications? I just can't figure it out...
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-16 23:21:04 UTC
Post #243580
Hey ant222, finish yours, cuz its so cool...and Captain Terror, yours has a little advantage with that lighting, makes it so beauty, but there is a little gap between the columns and the highest strair, I know this is for discourage splitting up faces, but if you turn the highest step into a func_wall is also solves this problem, or just make it higher or lower in case that the players cant see the gap. Tetsu0's one is also f*cking great, as always...
When I figured #6 out I didnt think that these beauty columns will be created.
BUT we need more challengers!!!
After 36 hours my post the election will starting...hopefully anyone can join who wants in that period or is it too long?
When I figured #6 out I didnt think that these beauty columns will be created.
BUT we need more challengers!!!
After 36 hours my post the election will starting...hopefully anyone can join who wants in that period or is it too long?
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-17 04:07:40 UTC
Post #243587
Tetsu0's one is also f*cking great, as always...
redka, you're too kind.Ant222, that column looks sweet. I can't wait to see a compiled version!
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-17 04:21:15 UTC
Post #243591
is it cheating if i use displacements?
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-17 07:31:40 UTC
Post #243594
man, you guys dont give us with little imagination much chance. very cool stuff so far. maybe i will try to join one of these mini compos after my surgery on friday
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-17 11:44:39 UTC
Post #243609
is it cheating if i use displacements?This challenge is in the goldsource engine discussion, so yes it would be cheating, unless your map is also working under this engine (but i have never heared that before it could be possible). Anyway if the usage of Quark is cheating, then the usage of displacement would be a very huge cheating (if it is possible), but I am not gonna disqualify that person, who knows a quicker and better way of making it, just make it work in hl1. Hopefully no one else disagrees with that, dont you?
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-17 17:27:25 UTC
Post #243639
Yeah, today the situation with my exam has taken a very bad turn... I got to program soundly all night long, and even that may be to no effect! So I just release my column for public use in the hope that somebody turns it into a final compo entry. Note the column is twisted, but due to its being 8-sided, that's not quite noticeable, so I thought it might be done with some grooves like in cactuses (with a gear-like cross-section), or it may be endowed with branches...
Link: http://twhl.co.za/mapvault_map.php?id=4965
P.S.: If I am still alive tomorrow, maybe I'll try finishing it...
Link: http://twhl.co.za/mapvault_map.php?id=4965
P.S.: If I am still alive tomorrow, maybe I'll try finishing it...
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-17 21:02:48 UTC
Post #243657
I hope you can finish it but studies come first!
Here's my final for #6:
http://captain0terror.googlepages.com/geometry60003.zip
I used alt-e to taper the top and bottom of each column so there thinner
and tapered now. The capital parts of the columns are also scaled down using alt-e, but no big visible errors, so I'm leaving them that way rather than redesigning.
Hope somebody else joins in before the end... it was so much fun! : )
Here's my final for #6:
http://captain0terror.googlepages.com/geometry60003.zip
I used alt-e to taper the top and bottom of each column so there thinner
and tapered now. The capital parts of the columns are also scaled down using alt-e, but no big visible errors, so I'm leaving them that way rather than redesigning.
Hope somebody else joins in before the end... it was so much fun! : )
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-18 11:54:15 UTC
Post #243764
One plus day for ant222 to finish his stuff, and for others who want to join...come on guys...we have now 2 finished entries, these are very very sweet, but choosing from just 2 is not a big option.
Posted 16 years ago2008-01-18 13:46:16 UTC
Post #243775
Agreed. It would be nice to have more players... Maybe the 3-4 of us who always participate should make a mod together!
On an unrelated idea, here is my hypercube version:
http://captain0terror.googlepages.com/hypercube0007.zip
If I demand more time, I would like to experiment with render options and other stuff to make the effect better. I used separate func_walls for each cross section, which made the effect a lot better than making the whole a single entity.
On an unrelated idea, here is my hypercube version:
http://captain0terror.googlepages.com/hypercube0007.zip
If I demand more time, I would like to experiment with render options and other stuff to make the effect better. I used separate func_walls for each cross section, which made the effect a lot better than making the whole a single entity.
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