In order to offset my record of rediculously[sic] long journals here is a short one (relatively.)
I have just cruised through the forums and came across a very disturbing knowledge about this community.
---> There is a forum thread about dude named Kasperg. The thread starter appearently is sympathizing with that person and also suggesting "improvements" for this site. After some comments and all, a master moderator arrived and beacause that thread was bothering him, closed the thread. Add that to the fact that the comments there suggest that threads are regularly locked by master moderators it is suggesting that the moderators like to close topics they don't like on a regular basis. This suspiciously sounds like curbing freedom of speech, but seeing as I'm not an internet-specialized lawyer or anything I don't know if that's alright or not (looks like it is.) But I have also noticed certain "regulars" that have leaved (left, sorry) this site permanently under rather disturbing circumstances, I am thinking of rowleybob and that dude Kasperg. (Some idiot pm'ed me has the impression that I'm Kasperg, but if you think about it, if I can really map that well I would be getting awards already). I am not going to question further on pain of an horribly gruesome internet "death", but for the sake of being an open, friendly site,(hopefully), any topic that's not a flamewar should not be closed, you know...
Dam, I thought it would be short. Oops, you know. I write too much crap.
(Huh, I feel like that talk show host dude from V for Vendetta right about now...I think his name was Gordon (Freeman). )
a little disturbing...
Created 15 years ago2009-08-20 04:59:28 UTC by
2muchvideogames
Created 15 years ago2009-08-20 04:59:28 UTC by
2muchvideogames
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 04:59:28 UTC
Post #272236
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 05:12:11 UTC
Post #272238
Kasperg's time of the month hit him hard one day, and he cried himself off the website to weep in a corner and devour gratuitous amounts of ice cream.
I guess you had to be there, because his last post would make him look like a "victim" if you weren't here for his sudden burst of vaginal behavior.
Or maybe that's crossing the line.
Anyway, if I remember correctly it was because people were voting for one map for MOTM as a trend, rather than voting because it deserved it, when he believed he should have won MOTM. He took it personally, and got pissed.
Rowleybob's leave was a little more rational. He left because someone made a journal joking about how Habboi's [?] cat had just died, and felt that it was representative of how immature the whole community due to the admins not doing anything about said journal.
Hell, I think I've rage quit on TWHL at least twice.
I guess you had to be there, because his last post would make him look like a "victim" if you weren't here for his sudden burst of vaginal behavior.
Or maybe that's crossing the line.
Anyway, if I remember correctly it was because people were voting for one map for MOTM as a trend, rather than voting because it deserved it, when he believed he should have won MOTM. He took it personally, and got pissed.
Rowleybob's leave was a little more rational. He left because someone made a journal joking about how Habboi's [?] cat had just died, and felt that it was representative of how immature the whole community due to the admins not doing anything about said journal.
Hell, I think I've rage quit on TWHL at least twice.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 05:12:59 UTC
Post #272239
ok, so that's what happened. But if what you said about kasperg was troo it would sound like mp_shipment should've been motm, cough cough just kidding.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 05:18:27 UTC
Post #272240
Potatis put a link in the shoutbox that directly linked to voting mp_shipment as MOTM. He got banned for a few days because of it.
Also, MOTM voting was completely thread-based when Kasperg left. There was no system like you see in the map vault now, it was just a post with your vote. being able to discuss what others have voted for undoubtedly contributed to the voting trend for that month.
Now that I think about it, I believe the map in question was Masta Killa's dm_particle. The Citizen ended up taking the cup, anyway.
Also, MOTM voting was completely thread-based when Kasperg left. There was no system like you see in the map vault now, it was just a post with your vote. being able to discuss what others have voted for undoubtedly contributed to the voting trend for that month.
Now that I think about it, I believe the map in question was Masta Killa's dm_particle. The Citizen ended up taking the cup, anyway.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 05:18:51 UTC
Post #272241
I thought mp_shipment WAS going to be MOTM for a bit there. >_>
I agreed with kasperg on a few of the points he made before his departure, but then he started saying various bullshit, and I just lost respect for him.
Now..Do I respect him as a mapper? Fuck yes. Have you seen his maps?
I agreed with kasperg on a few of the points he made before his departure, but then he started saying various bullshit, and I just lost respect for him.
Now..Do I respect him as a mapper? Fuck yes. Have you seen his maps?
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 05:20:16 UTC
Post #272242
Found the thread:
http://twhl.co.za/forums.php?thread=14743
http://twhl.co.za/forums.php?thread=14743
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 05:50:13 UTC
Post #272258
I swear to GOD, you people are the most whingy, fucked up, retarded people I've ever had the misfortune to meet. I can't even begin to comprehend how utterly retarded you all are.
Congratulations.
That makes so little sense it makes my head spin.
I see. So I guess the previous months were totally perfect and this month it isn't eh?Ant was pretty awesome. Why'd he have to leave?
Interesting.
EDIT: Blitzkrieg cracks a funny:
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I just contributed more to this conversation than most people here. Sad, really.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 05:52:20 UTC
Post #272260
I barely noticed Ant was gone, actually. D:
I expect him to be back...eventually. I dunno why, I just do. BTW, hes on IRC once in a while I believe, go on there if you wanna talk to him.
I expect him to be back...eventually. I dunno why, I just do. BTW, hes on IRC once in a while I believe, go on there if you wanna talk to him.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 06:34:03 UTC
Post #272266
Playbus is one of the guys that left in a more peaceful way. And he will never come back.
You can see that most of the good guys are over 25 (or at least in that range), and most of the admins are under 25. It's normal that the admins have different ideas, they're more ... rebel if I can say so. While the over 25 guys are more mature.... they take the subjects more seriously. And they obviously had enough of 15-year-old crap posting.
WHY SO SERIOUSSS ?!
Seriously .... I'm immature myself, but this community is immature for lots of reasons. The only thing I see mature here is the website theme
You can see that most of the good guys are over 25 (or at least in that range), and most of the admins are under 25. It's normal that the admins have different ideas, they're more ... rebel if I can say so. While the over 25 guys are more mature.... they take the subjects more seriously. And they obviously had enough of 15-year-old crap posting.
WHY SO SERIOUSSS ?!
Seriously .... I'm immature myself, but this community is immature for lots of reasons. The only thing I see mature here is the website theme
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 07:02:54 UTC
Post #272270
Except when Ant got a haxx.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 07:23:00 UTC
Post #272272
Heh, way to dig up the past. I like to think that I started out that thread logical and sensible but started getting rather ticked off as the thread descended into madness. I regret it (and a few other similar situations), and a while back now, I made a promise to myself that it wouldn't happen again. The "Rowleybob incident" was before my time.
The problem with being a moderator on a site is that when this kind of stuff happens, there's absolutely no way to wind up as the good guy at the end. If you close the thread, you're a nazi who "abuses power" and "prevents free speech", if you don't, you're blamed when it gets out of control.
I like to think I'm at least a little more mature now then I was back then. I was a terrible admin to start with, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the best person for the job. But, for all the stuff that happens, I'll stick around, and try to improve the site code. With Grim, Daub, and Strider as admins (who are all less likely than me to spit the dummy), you're in good hands.
The problem with being a moderator on a site is that when this kind of stuff happens, there's absolutely no way to wind up as the good guy at the end. If you close the thread, you're a nazi who "abuses power" and "prevents free speech", if you don't, you're blamed when it gets out of control.
I like to think I'm at least a little more mature now then I was back then. I was a terrible admin to start with, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the best person for the job. But, for all the stuff that happens, I'll stick around, and try to improve the site code. With Grim, Daub, and Strider as admins (who are all less likely than me to spit the dummy), you're in good hands.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 07:50:34 UTC
Post #272274
Well if I am right in saying Penguinboy that your one of the head moderators of this site?
As an moderator your decision is final, regardless of other peoples opinions. If people want to say you abuse, they can but how is that helping?
How can you blamed for arguements? Your not the only admin/moderator on this site, don't let yourself think that YOU have to be the person to solve it.
As an moderator your decision is final, regardless of other peoples opinions. If people want to say you abuse, they can but how is that helping?
How can you blamed for arguements? Your not the only admin/moderator on this site, don't let yourself think that YOU have to be the person to solve it.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 08:37:59 UTC
Post #272276
He left because someone made a journal joking about how Habboi's [?] cat had just diedI had no idea. I saw his journal saying he was leaving, but I couldn't find the journal he was refering too.
Even if it's no reason to leave permenently, it would have been a good reason to ban the other guy.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 08:49:27 UTC
Post #272278
Potatis put a link in the shoutbox that directly linked to voting mp_shipment as MOTM. He got banned for a few days because of it.No, I never got banned. It was just a joke and you can vote on several maps.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 09:48:25 UTC
Post #272284
But if what you said about kasperg was troo it would sound like mp_shipment should've been motmHahah, bang-on observation. It's true, too.
I thought mp_shipment WAS going to be MOTM for a bit there.Actually it is.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 10:04:17 UTC
Post #272285
To be fair, trying to be impartial on site that's so chock full of opinionated people is rather stupid, we all like our opinions heard.
I believe the final nail on the Kasperg coffin was me deleting one of his shouts, (after warning everybody to drop the subject, might I add). If I had the option to do it again, I would. Despite how arrogant I thought he was being, I only acted to try and put a stop to the endless bitching.
Maybe moderators should keep their opinions out of it, but that's a pretty sad slap in the face for us, really.
I believe the final nail on the Kasperg coffin was me deleting one of his shouts, (after warning everybody to drop the subject, might I add). If I had the option to do it again, I would. Despite how arrogant I thought he was being, I only acted to try and put a stop to the endless bitching.
Maybe moderators should keep their opinions out of it, but that's a pretty sad slap in the face for us, really.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 10:13:56 UTC
Post #272286
Actually it is.Good thing you can choose another one.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 10:26:21 UTC
Post #272287
I'm pretty happy with the mature and unbiased way I behaved in that thread.
Kasperg, the voting system is exactly that, a voting system. A democracy. It works just fine. Some people don't like you and your mod and you took a hissy fit. It is the most childish thing i have ever seen, and i had a massive ammount of respect for you which has just completely vanished.whistles innocently
You need to learn to calm the fuck down and stop posting retorts to everyone's opinions.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 11:47:00 UTC
Post #272288
I think it's comical that people get so upset about a map, and there is actually a discussion on the "freedom of speech" for a forum.
An online community is privately own and run. It can do whatever that it wants. It does not have government jurisdiction, and freedom of speech is moot in private quarters.
If a two-year-old starts saying bad words and his parents tell him to stop, does not count as infringement on freedom of speech?
It's just a forum. It's just a game. Real atrocities are committed world wide on a daily basis. Go worry about those.
An online community is privately own and run. It can do whatever that it wants. It does not have government jurisdiction, and freedom of speech is moot in private quarters.
If a two-year-old starts saying bad words and his parents tell him to stop, does not count as infringement on freedom of speech?
It's just a forum. It's just a game. Real atrocities are committed world wide on a daily basis. Go worry about those.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 12:30:09 UTC
Post #272289
Golly gee wiz, I had some pretty coarse opinions to get out in that thread. Maybe it's just me, but whenever I re-read my old posts like that they seem of much higher quality than they have been lately, and I can't even imagine typing half the stuff I did.
I always find it funny looking back that Penguinboy was ever capable of becoming viewed as a "head moderator". Back in the day, he was literally the farthest thing I could think of from being a leader of any type. He wasn't even picked for the job from what I remember, he just landed it circumstantially from being so heavily involved in TWHL3's development. That was one of the harder transitions for me, from talking to this random smart-ass on IRC, and then suddenly that smart-ass became a mod, and then one day he wasn't a smart-ass anymore. Damn. And now I have mad respec' for him.
By the way 2muchvideogames, I'm somewhat curious as to how you inadvertently stumbled across that thread in particular. I'm not suspicious or anything, it's just a remarkable coincidence you were able to pick up on so much in such a short time, especially considering how awful our current search function is when you actually want to find something like that. The fact that you came across the entire history of Kasperg and Rowleybob is, well, amazing.
I always find it funny looking back that Penguinboy was ever capable of becoming viewed as a "head moderator". Back in the day, he was literally the farthest thing I could think of from being a leader of any type. He wasn't even picked for the job from what I remember, he just landed it circumstantially from being so heavily involved in TWHL3's development. That was one of the harder transitions for me, from talking to this random smart-ass on IRC, and then suddenly that smart-ass became a mod, and then one day he wasn't a smart-ass anymore. Damn. And now I have mad respec' for him.
By the way 2muchvideogames, I'm somewhat curious as to how you inadvertently stumbled across that thread in particular. I'm not suspicious or anything, it's just a remarkable coincidence you were able to pick up on so much in such a short time, especially considering how awful our current search function is when you actually want to find something like that. The fact that you came across the entire history of Kasperg and Rowleybob is, well, amazing.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 13:32:13 UTC
Post #272290
I think we should drop it, but thats my opinion so it doesn't matter.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 13:57:32 UTC
Post #272292
This is why we can't have nice things.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 14:09:40 UTC
Post #272293
Don't you mean thatfucker.jpg, Daubster?
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 15:19:01 UTC
Post #272295
By the way 2muchvideogames, I'm somewhat curious as to how you inadvertently stumbled across that thread in particular. I'm not suspicious or anything, it's just a remarkable coincidence you were able to pick up on so much in such a short time, especially considering how awful our current search function is when you actually want to find something like that. The fact that you came across the entire history of Kasperg and Rowleybob is, well, amazing.Kasperg in the flesh.
Stupid thread is stupid.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 15:49:10 UTC
Post #272296
Why would you think that? Kasperg doesn't type that much, and he doesn't even act the same at all. Who the hell would be such a loser they would rejoin the same forum they ragequit months ago and adopt a completely new personality just to fool everyone, then intentionally drop subtle hints of their past frustrations? You'd have to be a borderline sociopath.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 15:52:52 UTC
Post #272297
2much is not Kasperg. Not by IP anyway.
Give the guy a break.
Give the guy a break.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 17:04:55 UTC
Post #272298
IT WAS A JOKE. I'M THE FUNNY MAN.
Besides, we all know Skals was Kasperg's pseudonym,
Besides, we all know Skals was Kasperg's pseudonym,
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 17:10:11 UTC
Post #272299
that explains a lot.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 17:29:05 UTC
Post #272301
Come on, isn't it obvious?
Kasperg is Yodalman.
Kasperg is Yodalman.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 17:47:52 UTC
Post #272302
Meh, Kasperg was actually sensible and coherent in his text most of the time. (that's excluding the obvious stuff that caused him to leave)
Yodalman is not.
Yodalman is not.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 18:24:16 UTC
Post #272307
Guys... I'm Kasperg.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 18:24:57 UTC
Post #272308
I trusted you ;[
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 18:49:55 UTC
Post #272309
As far as the original post goes, there is no "curbing" of freedom of speech. First off, this isn't even an American based site, and many of the admins are not American. Secondly, there are rules and standards, and as far most rule makers anywhere are concerned, you either follow them or you go. Just like a school, or any other building, a website owner sets his or her own guidelines and expects users follow them. Any place else would do the same.
Just a little information for you anyway...
Just a little information for you anyway...
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 19:00:24 UTC
Post #272310
I'm still holding onto the idea that Kaspergs account was hacked.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 19:30:56 UTC
Post #272312
Let go of that idea. Having spoken to the guy since he made his feelings towards this site and its community very clear :/
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 20:22:42 UTC
Post #272315
Why would you think that? Kasperg doesn't type that much, and he doesn't even act the same at all. Who the hell would be such a loser they would rejoin the same forum they ragequit months ago and adopt a completely new personality just to fool everyone, then intentionally drop subtle hints of their past frustrations? You'd have to be a borderline sociopath.Cough
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 20:34:01 UTC
Post #272316
I can't believe you just hinted yourself... >_>
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 21:07:14 UTC
Post #272318
What, Kasperg left? I can't remember that.
Then again, I don't remember much.
You know what this thread needs? More rugs. Seriously, just more rugs.
Then again, I don't remember much.
You know what this thread needs? More rugs. Seriously, just more rugs.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 21:19:04 UTC
Post #272319
That doesn't even begin to make sense.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 22:11:39 UTC
Post #272320
I think he meant drugs. We need more drugs.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 22:40:00 UTC
Post #272321
Penguinboy, I believe you handled yourself admirably in that thread.
I find that thread especially funny because it was, as always, his perception of my hatred and jealousy of his mad skillz that started the whole thing. Kasperg can say what he wants, but he was a very mediocre source mapper.
Plus he's the only person in this world that didn't enjoy R&D, further proof that he is in fact mentally retarded.
I find that thread especially funny because it was, as always, his perception of my hatred and jealousy of his mad skillz that started the whole thing. Kasperg can say what he wants, but he was a very mediocre source mapper.
Plus he's the only person in this world that didn't enjoy R&D, further proof that he is in fact mentally retarded.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 22:52:45 UTC
Post #272322
I saw his journal saying he was leaving, but I couldn't find the journal he was refering too.
I'm still holding onto the idea that Kaspergs account was hacked.I think I remember him deleting everything on his own and then leaving.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 23:11:05 UTC
Post #272323
Didn't Rimrook delete all of his maps at one point?
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 23:44:49 UTC
Post #272324
I think he meant drugs. We need more drugs.No, I meant Rugs.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 23:50:12 UTC
Post #272325
because apparently twhl was too nooby for him and he wanted to move onto bigger and better things. then he came back and apologised which was nice of him.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-20 23:56:47 UTC
Post #272326
I had that happen to me.
Crono left GamingParents, but only after he deleted all of the content that he contributed to the site.
Again, it's just a site.
Crono left GamingParents, but only after he deleted all of the content that he contributed to the site.
Again, it's just a site.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-21 05:39:34 UTC
Post #272329
Wow, i missed that entire thread 
reading it makes me what to put a gun to my head and pull the trigger...
(sorry i've been bogged down at work the last few days to actually log on.)
The fact is you can't be impartial in real life. Prime example happened to me yesterday. A girl left the room because she didn't like the way her coworker spoke to her but she left a resident and her coworker in a dangerous situation. Who's side am i supposed to take? They are both wrong and right in different ways.
reading it makes me what to put a gun to my head and pull the trigger...(sorry i've been bogged down at work the last few days to actually log on.)
The fact is you can't be impartial in real life. Prime example happened to me yesterday. A girl left the room because she didn't like the way her coworker spoke to her but she left a resident and her coworker in a dangerous situation. Who's side am i supposed to take? They are both wrong and right in different ways.
The "Rowleybob incident" was before my time.God, I remember that...such a shame, I can't even contact Rowleybob anymore. I sent an email a week ago and never got a reply :/
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-21 06:44:06 UTC
Post #272330
I always tried to stay away from these threads. And I don't regret it.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-21 07:35:36 UTC
Post #272332
Rowley doesn't even map anymore, he's probably glad he left this place.
Posted 15 years ago2009-08-21 08:57:44 UTC
Post #272335
Hell, I don't even think you deserve to win after getting so bent out of shape over your mod not getting a unanimously positive response. That'd be unfair to Kasperg though, as I haven't seen him complaining on the same level you have this whole time.Srry, you made Kasperg leave.
EDIT: Habby birthday, btw.
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