Ninja Defuse brought up the idea of "Team Mapping" and i was immediately interested. Ninja and i were talking a little bit, although we are not sure how exactly to structure this new community project, we'd like to be able to finish it lock, stock, and barrel in 2 weeks.
Ninja was planning to do this in goldsource, but i would much rather do it in source if in any way possible. (I'll happily go along with the majority though either way)
Ninja was thinking each person gets a specified amount of time to work on his part, and then he turns it over to the next guy, and so on till the end. I'm fine with that, but of course we could get much more stuff done if we were all working independently, and 2 weeks is not a very long time.
So what do y'all think? Please share any/all ideas you may have for this!
Team Mapping
Created 12 years ago2012-03-09 07:50:59 UTC by
Captain Terror
Created 12 years ago2012-03-09 07:50:59 UTC by
Captain Terror
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 07:50:59 UTC
Post #304084
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 10:51:43 UTC
Post #304085
This has been attempted many times before. I for one would love to see it succeed. Count me in. I would prefer GldSrc but I will gladly attempt a source submission.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 11:29:51 UTC
Post #304086
Sounds cool.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 11:33:31 UTC
Post #304087
Any story or format ideas?
I would love to pick a novel/gimicky idea that is do-able, and work my heart out for 2 weeks on it. Knowing there were 4-5 others doing the same thing at for the same mod would be quite an incentive to produce quality work.
For example:
-Unforseen Storylines: like blue shift/op4/decay/etc, pick one of the areas you hear about but never actually see during the tram ride in half-life, and we will collectively build that part of the mod, complete with a story arc that fits the original.
-Famous Architecture: we collectively choose a real-life building or one in the planning, like a giant dubai skyscrapper or a new casino, or just anything really cool. We then div the responsibilties of the map up to those who best-suited to their talents, and we build it.
-we collectively come up with an easy to do gameplay gimmick like tower defense, or maybe a tron-style game where your object is to destroy the floor under your opponent, or just a gameplay idea that is fun, interesting, and hopefully original, and then we all develop/build it.
Again these are just brainstorms, i'm down for anything.
I would love to pick a novel/gimicky idea that is do-able, and work my heart out for 2 weeks on it. Knowing there were 4-5 others doing the same thing at for the same mod would be quite an incentive to produce quality work.
For example:
-Unforseen Storylines: like blue shift/op4/decay/etc, pick one of the areas you hear about but never actually see during the tram ride in half-life, and we will collectively build that part of the mod, complete with a story arc that fits the original.
-Famous Architecture: we collectively choose a real-life building or one in the planning, like a giant dubai skyscrapper or a new casino, or just anything really cool. We then div the responsibilties of the map up to those who best-suited to their talents, and we build it.
-we collectively come up with an easy to do gameplay gimmick like tower defense, or maybe a tron-style game where your object is to destroy the floor under your opponent, or just a gameplay idea that is fun, interesting, and hopefully original, and then we all develop/build it.
Again these are just brainstorms, i'm down for anything.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 13:25:54 UTC
Post #304090
I remember the plan for TWHL Mix 2 was to have each section contain a part for a teleportation device which would take you to the finale.
Lot's of entity work though...
Failing that, there's the "Central Transit Hub in Area 9" for high security personnel.
Lot's of entity work though...
Failing that, there's the "Central Transit Hub in Area 9" for high security personnel.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 13:30:54 UTC
Post #304091
Each person getting 2 weeks is not what I expected. I thought it'd be for 2 solid weeks every person gets a day and then sends it on to the next person.
Fun things to do would be to save it numerically at the end of each day so you can see the progress made after each mapper's work.
Also my vote is definitely for Source. So is Urby's, he's just confused.
If everyone is working simultaneously throughout the two weeks then it just becomes a bunch of maps to slap together into one, whereas if one person gets it for 24 hours then it moves on we really get a sequential progress.
Fun things to do would be to save it numerically at the end of each day so you can see the progress made after each mapper's work.
Also my vote is definitely for Source. So is Urby's, he's just confused.
If everyone is working simultaneously throughout the two weeks then it just becomes a bunch of maps to slap together into one, whereas if one person gets it for 24 hours then it moves on we really get a sequential progress.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 14:26:46 UTC
Post #304092
One person getting only one chance of 24 hours is a very risky assumption to start with. Many will have most of their day occupied by other activities, such as school. There has to be another method found for a sequential community project.
And also, I vote for Source. I don't even have hammer 3.5 and the tools for goldsource mapping installed anymore.
And also, I vote for Source. I don't even have hammer 3.5 and the tools for goldsource mapping installed anymore.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 14:35:29 UTC
Post #304093
Also my vote is definitely for Source. So is Urby's, he's just confused.I can think for myself thank you very much. So yeah, i vote Source.
If I only get 24 hours to work on it then I will need 48 notice beforehand.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 14:48:42 UTC
Post #304094
48 notices? Can't you just read the one notice 48 times? Would save someone having to send so many, that could get tedious.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 14:52:23 UTC
Post #304095
I laughed, then got upset at the fact that I laughed.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 16:10:05 UTC
Post #304096
NO! Each one needs to be worded slightly differently.
48 hours* notice. Sorry. TWHL is tiny on my Android and I was having a shit.
Now you know.
48 hours* notice. Sorry. TWHL is tiny on my Android and I was having a shit.
Now you know.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 17:32:11 UTC
Post #304097
Oh no! now my brain interprets that the words smell bad :
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 21:08:22 UTC
Post #304100
Very cool! My coding is really bored without maps to use all the weapons and stuff in; feel like using the op4 sniper rifle or something? This is a really good idea!
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 21:36:48 UTC
Post #304102
Goldsource, because I'm too lazy to learn a new engine right now.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 22:22:15 UTC
Post #304106
gold src <33
well the map should travel from hand to hand until it looks OK ;D
ps. source is good too
well the map should travel from hand to hand until it looks OK ;D
ps. source is good too
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 22:51:34 UTC
Post #304107
Start out small.
7 Members, 1 quickie DM map, 24 hours each, send it on after each day then repeat for a second week. 48 hours total each.
7 Members, 1 quickie DM map, 24 hours each, send it on after each day then repeat for a second week. 48 hours total each.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-09 23:20:51 UTC
Post #304108
I'm down to try it archie's way. It looks like most people ware wanting source so that is a done deal. NOTE: for anyone new to source, you can still contribute to the map it's ok if it's something small, and brushwork works exactly the same in source so... =)
Right now it looks like we have:
Archie
Urby
Ninja Defuse
Me
joebamba - maybe
Cstriker - maybe
2muchvideogames - maybe
Dimbark - maybe
That's 8 people so far, which seems like a pretty good number to start with if people can specify if they are a definite or not please.
Anyone else intersted? We need someone good with layouts to volunteer to start.
The only other major thing before we pick our spots in the pecking order i think is to decide if 2 24-hour spots or 1 48 hour spot per person would be better? Once people are defintie we will know exactly how much time each person will get, e.g., 7 people would be 2 weeks exactly.
One person getting only one chance of 24 hours is a very risky assumption to start with.I agree. maybe it will work out to 2 days per person, depending on how many people we get, but the hard limit is two weeks. (maybe we can allow a first and then a second 24-hour period if time allows)
Right now it looks like we have:
Archie
Urby
Ninja Defuse
Me
joebamba - maybe
Cstriker - maybe
2muchvideogames - maybe
Dimbark - maybe
That's 8 people so far, which seems like a pretty good number to start with if people can specify if they are a definite or not please.
Anyone else intersted? We need someone good with layouts to volunteer to start.
The only other major thing before we pick our spots in the pecking order i think is to decide if 2 24-hour spots or 1 48 hour spot per person would be better? Once people are defintie we will know exactly how much time each person will get, e.g., 7 people would be 2 weeks exactly.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 00:31:35 UTC
Post #304110
I would be willing to help, but I can only get the 2D views working in Hammer, so no texturing and probably no complex brushwork either. It would work to start off the map but I'm bloody awful at layouts and all that stuff. And I think 2 24 hour spots each might be better, that way each person would get a chance to work on the map at two different levels of completion.
[Edit] Actually I have no idea if Source SDK works in Linux, I was talking about GoldSrc. I might give it a try tomorrow.
[Edit] Actually I have no idea if Source SDK works in Linux, I was talking about GoldSrc. I might give it a try tomorrow.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 01:29:58 UTC
Post #304113
Nope, I'd love to, but Uni is just starting up properly, I don't want any responsibilities I don't need just now 'til I get into the swing of it all.
Also it looks to be leaning towards Source, which I have no experience with.
Also it looks to be leaning towards Source, which I have no experience with.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 02:10:38 UTC
Post #304116
ATTENTION new source mappers: This is a perfect opportunity to get your feet wet with the Source SDK. You don't have to do anything amazing, just take what has been done previously and add something.
You'll also have the added benefit of directly looking at other peoples work to see firsthand how things are done; we can place newbies toward the end of the queue so this works better
ALSO, I DO like TJB's idea that we all get two passes at the map.
You'll also have the added benefit of directly looking at other peoples work to see firsthand how things are done; we can place newbies toward the end of the queue so this works better
ALSO, I DO like TJB's idea that we all get two passes at the map.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 03:02:18 UTC
Post #304118
I'm in!
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 03:44:33 UTC
Post #304119
Ok sweet! Here's who we got fo' showsies:
1. Ninja Defuse - ?
2. Archine - ***
3. Urby - *
4. Cap'n Terran - ***
5. Dimbark - ?
And for maybs:
6. Cstriker - **
7. Joebama - *
8. 2Muchvideogames - ?
9. TJB - *
Also pleez everyone rate your skill level in source on a scale of 1-5 stars, to halp figure out where you will be in the queue (some i know)
1. Ninja Defuse - ?
2. Archine - ***
3. Urby - *
4. Cap'n Terran - ***
5. Dimbark - ?
And for maybs:
6. Cstriker - **
7. Joebama - *
8. 2Muchvideogames - ?
9. TJB - *
Also pleez everyone rate your skill level in source on a scale of 1-5 stars, to halp figure out where you will be in the queue (some i know)
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 03:52:58 UTC
Post #304120
About.. ***
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 03:57:50 UTC
Post #304121
Sure you are
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 03:59:34 UTC
Post #304122
Procrastination has hidden my talent.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 04:03:31 UTC
Post #304123
Sounds like fun to try. But my skill would rate at about -1 star.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 04:23:46 UTC
Post #304124
I can only assume the five asterisks next to my name are a child-friendly filter of the word "shite".
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 04:24:38 UTC
Post #304125
Then I wonder what mine means...
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 04:34:44 UTC
Post #304126
Archie is really good source mapper so he is 5. joe you said you are beginner so you are a level 1. (the stars mean experience with source engine SDK not mapping skills) My star level needs to be downgraded to "**" since i can't even properly light maps yet) =P
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 04:59:28 UTC
Post #304128
I'm down like a clown, Charlie Brown!
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 05:30:53 UTC
Post #304129
That's fine like wine my friend! =PP
Team mappers 1. Ninja Defuse - ?
2. Archine - ***
3. Urby - *
4. Cap'n Terran - **
5. Dimbark - ***
6. DiscoTzu - *
7. Legitzkrieg - ***
Maybs Team Mappers 8. Cstriker - **
9. Joebama - *
10. 2Muchvideogames - ?
11. TJB - *
That's seven solid people. You maybers, please let us know within the next couple days. Mapper's with highers stars: start thinking about layouts, cuz you'll be going ahead of the nubs.
Team mappers 1. Ninja Defuse - ?
2. Archine - ***
3. Urby - *
4. Cap'n Terran - **
5. Dimbark - ***
6. DiscoTzu - *
7. Legitzkrieg - ***
Maybs Team Mappers 8. Cstriker - **
9. Joebama - *
10. 2Muchvideogames - ?
11. TJB - *
That's seven solid people. You maybers, please let us know within the next couple days. Mapper's with highers stars: start thinking about layouts, cuz you'll be going ahead of the nubs.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 08:34:45 UTC
Post #304133
my source skill: *
i havent played HL2 Deathmatch, going to download it asap
ps. is HL2 required to play HL2 deathmatch? just asking because i have formatted my HDD and i have just downloaded HL1 + some another non halflife games
i havent played HL2 Deathmatch, going to download it asap
ps. is HL2 required to play HL2 deathmatch? just asking because i have formatted my HDD and i have just downloaded HL1 + some another non halflife games
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 08:51:48 UTC
Post #304134
You'll be toward the end of the queue so don't fret too much, but i would definitely install HL2DM and get the Source SDK running soon as is convenient.
Even the smallest amount of practice now will help you greatly when it's your turn
Even the smallest amount of practice now will help you greatly when it's your turn
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 14:34:18 UTC
Post #304135
you don't need hl2 to run and map for hl2dm. You will probably need the SDK base as well as the SDK itself but don't worry - steam sets it all up for you.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 14:39:28 UTC
Post #304136
sounds like fun but i have to pass. wouldnt be able to dedicate the time 
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 14:40:37 UTC
Post #304137
can u explain a bit how to map for hl2 DM? i have launched SOURCESDK and changed the engine version to 2006 then i have selected Half Life 2 Deathmatch, in hammer: File->New and getting FATAL ERROR: "Missing material 'editor/wireframe'. Go to TOOls | Options | Game Configuratons and verufy that your game directory is correct." ;O
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 14:44:38 UTC
Post #304138
have you played hl2dm before trying to map for it?
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 14:51:16 UTC
Post #304139
hmm i have launched the game and look around in gamemenus but havent played it
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 15:02:29 UTC
Post #304140
You gotta play a map.
edit:
Also, is HL2DM really still source 2006? Really?
editedit:
Okay, just checked. Apparently it is. Huh.
Is there any way this can not be for HL2DM?
edit:
Also, is HL2DM really still source 2006? Really?
editedit:
Okay, just checked. Apparently it is. Huh.
Is there any way this can not be for HL2DM?
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 16:09:53 UTC
Post #304141
How about a Team Fortress 2 map? It'd be more convenient since the game is F2P. It's also on the newer engine.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 16:50:16 UTC
Post #304142
TF2 is a better idea ;D
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 20:35:33 UTC
Post #304143
I love this idea but it seems to need more structure. And better collaboration methods rather than, ok I did something here you go and so on.
1. Some one should be in charge, come up with what you all want to out put.
2. Brainstorm and discuss the design intentions amongst eachother.
3. Decide how it will be layed out and who will do what.
4. Begin and keep eachother updated on wip and allow everyone to criticize eachother's work as it is produced so that in the end it can all work together towards a similar goal.
1. Some one should be in charge, come up with what you all want to out put.
2. Brainstorm and discuss the design intentions amongst eachother.
3. Decide how it will be layed out and who will do what.
4. Begin and keep eachother updated on wip and allow everyone to criticize eachother's work as it is produced so that in the end it can all work together towards a similar goal.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 20:52:16 UTC
Post #304144
I'm down with whatever engine/game. I think Arch should pick and be in charge, because he has the most experience ;)(
Zebeba: I agree, but I also like the feeeform way. If anybody has theme/layout/gametype/other ideas, please speak up!
Zebeba: I agree, but I also like the feeeform way. If anybody has theme/layout/gametype/other ideas, please speak up!
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 20:57:32 UTC
Post #304145
Yea I know what you mean in that you don't want it to feel idea confining, but if everyone collaborated together on the idea it could be free form in the way ideas grew on to eachother and in doing so they would relate rather than being way out there.
It would be cool to see the idea grow in this thread.
This thread is the pot and you are all planters, standing around it watering it and trimming it as it grows.
It would be cool to see the idea grow in this thread.
This thread is the pot and you are all planters, standing around it watering it and trimming it as it grows.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 21:31:17 UTC
Post #304146
I'll do it but i must warn you that I'm a total noob. Also another condition is I will only do it if it is GoldSrc and isn't CS related.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 21:38:37 UTC
Post #304148
Pony: we already decided it will be source, so.. perfect time to get some experience with the engine tho if you change your mind.
zeeba: I agree. we just need that one good idea or theme idea, and then we can build ideas from there like wildfire. Soon as archie decides what engine we're using +P
zeeba: I agree. we just need that one good idea or theme idea, and then we can build ideas from there like wildfire. Soon as archie decides what engine we're using +P
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 21:53:30 UTC
Post #304149
My computer is shit so I can't run Source. So that means I'm out.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 23:38:04 UTC
Post #304150
I totally don't have the time to organise this, dude. You'll do a fine job, CT!
Also, my heart bleeds that pony can't run Source.
Also, my heart bleeds that pony can't run Source.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 23:45:58 UTC
Post #304151
Goddammit Intel.
Posted 12 years ago2012-03-10 23:54:40 UTC
Post #304152
Ok Arch NP. Will you have time to particiapte normally then with your two 24-hour sections, plus maybe a bit of consulting wisdom? (y/n) =)
Unless someone is willing to step up as zeeba said and be the project leader, i say we just go for it and have each person build on top of the next person's work, SO, if anyone has any general ideas on theme or structure, now is the time to voice that!
Question: can we dick around with an embedded countdown timer so we don't have to wonder about timezonesies and stuff? (this way, the next guy in line knows exactly when his start time will be and reverse)
Maybe something like the competition timer? maybe one of us can get mode powers for this so we can adjust the first post, listing whose turn it is and when their time is up. (forgive me if i'm making this too complicated!)
Unless someone is willing to step up as zeeba said and be the project leader, i say we just go for it and have each person build on top of the next person's work, SO, if anyone has any general ideas on theme or structure, now is the time to voice that!
Question: can we dick around with an embedded countdown timer so we don't have to wonder about timezonesies and stuff? (this way, the next guy in line knows exactly when his start time will be and reverse)
Maybe something like the competition timer? maybe one of us can get mode powers for this so we can adjust the first post, listing whose turn it is and when their time is up. (forgive me if i'm making this too complicated!)
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