References plz... And use full context seventh.
Uh, I didn't say that.
You guys have just said a bunch of things, and again, did not base them on anything.
Sorry, the arguers
against are the ones who are making arguments with no base?
Wrong. That's opinion.
Isn't that a little of a contradiction?
I agree with you, though.
one of them is a man of science. He believes only what he can observe with his senses, or what can be measured.
I took two objects and placed them in front of him. I asked him if he believed that there are some kind of force pulling the two objects together. He obvious said yes, as it is gravity. well, you cannot measure gravity, only predict it through inspecific tests. How then can you believe in one force rather than another, if you can see neither nor?
So you're saying "instead of using the senses you have to usefully record events and predict similar things, make stuff up!". Very sensible.
Quotes aside. Religion was, I imagine (I'm talking about way back) founded by fear and ignorance. Sun worshippers, etc. to whom the sun was, reasonably, one of the most powerful, and, I suppose, strangest things they could see. People have watched it for thousands of years, travelled across the world, and found it different in ways which show such and such. Using reason and observation, science describes as much as we can find and examine.
Religion, on the other hand, has no logical foundation in what we see of the world. It's just fear, and, with many, greed and lust for power on the part of those who found them. In the middle ages, the religious in command could control and take from everybody by threatening them with God's wrath.
When religions disagree, what happens? There is no base to argue on, nothing that either party can point out to the other in the source, because they're all made up, with good intentions or otherwise, with no grounds. Then there are wars, genocide. When scientists disagree, what happens? Good ones will discuss what they have found with their peers, who can look at what the proposer has based their discovery on. Correct it, revise it, compare and contrast it to what we see and what we have seen.
This could have been better-organised, I know, but I'm in a little of a hurry. I expect this thread will still be around sometime when I can be more orderly.
Post-scripts on religion (mostly Christianity):
1. Why are religious people averse to death, natural or otherwise, when they believe that there is an all-forgiving god waiting to bring them to eternal bliss?
2. Those who put forward religion as 'people being nice to each other': is it really necessary to ignore massive advances in human knowledge and threaten everyone with burning for eternity just for people to be kind to each other? No, it isn't.