@rufee
Yeah well, bottom end. That's exactly why I wanted an R7 240 and an A4-6300 at first, hahaha. Because that's just overkill compared to what I have.
Now, I use my 2007 laptop for gaming, mapping, texturing, video-editing etc. and it all takes time and is limited a little bit.
However, that's what older software is for! So, 10-year-old laptops can still be used for gaming, but year 2000 gaming, not 2017, 2016, nor even 2007 gaming. Up to 2005 gaming.
Post your screenshots! WIP thread
Created 16 years ago2007-12-16 00:58:58 UTC by
doodle
Created 16 years ago2007-12-16 00:58:58 UTC by
doodle
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-20 11:01:30 UTC
Post #334509
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-20 18:01:00 UTC
Post #334516
It's almost done:
The Obelisk of light will also be able to shoot players with it's laser and you will be able to shut it down - either by destroying the power plant or the obelisk itself.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 00:05:28 UTC
Post #334518
I get confused when people talk about 2000 wpolies being high in 2017. The Core hits 6000 regularly and it runs just fine on a budget laptop. Just how wooden are these PCs that you're limiting yourself so strictly on wpolies for?I started doing it because a bunch of Eastern Europeans on Gamebanana were complaining that my maps ran like shit, and then I decided it was a neat challenge (not unlike restricting myself to stock assets).
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 00:44:36 UTC
Post #334519
I'm not sure will all this even compile:
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 04:13:21 UTC
Post #334520
Are you kidding me? Of course it will. Just take a look at ts_untergrund, lol.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 04:23:41 UTC
Post #334521
Ok... But I'm sure something will go wrong as always 
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 09:56:24 UTC
Post #334523
Base model completed! Poly count turned out higher than expected, with 7524 faces. I'm going to make lower-poly versions of all models for LOD and lower graphics quality settings anyway.
Smooth:
Tesselated + scene info (info might look blurry):
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 10:50:47 UTC
Post #334524
@Snehk
I think arms look so strange because you didn't add the elbows. You should try to remodel them I think.
I think arms look so strange because you didn't add the elbows. You should try to remodel them I think.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 12:32:18 UTC
Post #334526
Got round to trying to replicate Cabal's vocal FX in Reason.. using some TTS programmes, this as close as I can get.
vocaroo link
Have tried recording my own vocals but haven't figured out the accent / intonation of the original VA.
vocaroo link
Have tried recording my own vocals but haven't figured out the accent / intonation of the original VA.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 12:40:56 UTC
Post #334527
The best vocal is 00:00 - 00:12. I liked it the most.
00:12 - 00:22 sounds more like LEGION from C&C3 than CABAL.
00:12 - 00:22 sounds more like LEGION from C&C3 than CABAL.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 13:46:11 UTC
Post #334528
Looks better now?
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 14:07:40 UTC
Post #334530
@Snehk
To be honest I can't see the difference, elbows are still missing, sorry. However, I don't know the way you model things in Wings3D and maybe it's more difficult than it seems to be. I've never tried to model something myself.
You can leave this model as is and remake it later when you get better.
However, except arms, the model looks pretty good overall.
To be honest I can't see the difference, elbows are still missing, sorry. However, I don't know the way you model things in Wings3D and maybe it's more difficult than it seems to be. I've never tried to model something myself.
You can leave this model as is and remake it later when you get better.
However, except arms, the model looks pretty good overall.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 14:08:59 UTC
Post #334531
I thought that you meant edges creating elbow joint that'd allow model's hand to bend better during animation. Making those armored elbows would be quite easy without remodelling whole hands.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 14:15:46 UTC
Post #334532
Oh, I'm sorry. It's just my bad English then. Should have said cubit instead of elbow 
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 14:21:20 UTC
Post #334533
Something similar to this?
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 14:23:55 UTC
Post #334534
Yeah, this looks much better!
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 14:58:23 UTC
Post #334535
Went ahead and armored up some more bits.
Smooth:
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 15:30:54 UTC
Post #334536
@Snehk
One more question to ask: which genre will your mod belong to? Is it going to be an RPG-mod or it will be something like Strife?
One more question to ask: which genre will your mod belong to? Is it going to be an RPG-mod or it will be something like Strife?
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 16:49:33 UTC
Post #334537
Something like Hexen or Heretic, with more RPG mechanics thrown in (a bit like in Dark Souls, but more forgiving). Already posted some info on my ModDB page (link in my journal).
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 17:29:12 UTC
Post #334540
Used some blend textures for a smooth transition between the normal area and the tiberium field:
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 18:57:03 UTC
Post #334541
That starts to look really cool man ! Why not make it for svencoop ? you have higher engine limits there
Why not make it for svencoop ? you have higher engine limits there 
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 18:57:25 UTC
Post #334542
Double fuck.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 20:53:27 UTC
Post #334543
@Trempler
As far as I know Sven Coop has it's own hammer version, so no. I can't just switch from J.A.C.K. to Hammer because of the .jmf format and because I really like Jackhammer, can't say that about Sven Coop though. I think those limits are enough for me. Maybe I will swith to PowerSource when it's done, but there are several problems I may encounter. So I'll keep mapping for the original HL.
EDIT: Gonna unpack some of .mix files Renegade uses. Finally I'll be able to use some of the game's sounds.
As far as I know Sven Coop has it's own hammer version, so no. I can't just switch from J.A.C.K. to Hammer because of the .jmf format and because I really like Jackhammer, can't say that about Sven Coop though. I think those limits are enough for me. Maybe I will swith to PowerSource when it's done, but there are several problems I may encounter. So I'll keep mapping for the original HL.
EDIT: Gonna unpack some of .mix files Renegade uses. Finally I'll be able to use some of the game's sounds.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 21:12:40 UTC
Post #334545
You can use J.A.C.K. for Sven Co-op with 0 issues.
That's how I started out with sc_sandstorm.
That's how I started out with sc_sandstorm.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 21:52:24 UTC
Post #334546
The only differences between Hammer 3.4 and SC Hammer are the increased grid size and a few bug fixes, no features were added.
Any map editor will do.
Any map editor will do.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 21:55:17 UTC
Post #334547
If no features were added, then there's no point for me to switch to SC. The standart limits of the original Half-Life are enough for me, at least for now.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 22:02:01 UTC
Post #334548
The only differences between Hammer 3.4 and SC HammerNot the engine.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-21 22:10:48 UTC
Post #334550
@Crollo
Oh, my bad.
For some reason I just don't want to switch to sc. Maybe I'm just lazy.
Oh, my bad.
For some reason I just don't want to switch to sc. Maybe I'm just lazy.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 06:08:34 UTC
Post #334553
@Windawz
Sven Co-op is really nice to map for. But if you want good ratings, you'll have to make your standards higher (just a little bit) compared to Half-Life 1.
Basically, there's not much to do other than installing Sven Co-op and the SC SDK. The FGD comes with the SDK, and you can grab everything else (WADs, sprites and sounds) from SC itself.
Though, what I like about the good old Half-Life 1 is:
1. Its limits are a nice challenge for 2017 mapping
2. It lags less than Sven Co-op
3. It supports co-op even though it wasn't made for it
Yes, HL1 natively supports co-op if you didn't know. Though, it's not as explicit as in Sven Co-op. It's literally deathmatch with the addition of monsters, and you need mp_allowmonsters 1. (I think I wrote it right)
Sven Co-op is really nice to map for. But if you want good ratings, you'll have to make your standards higher (just a little bit) compared to Half-Life 1.
Basically, there's not much to do other than installing Sven Co-op and the SC SDK. The FGD comes with the SDK, and you can grab everything else (WADs, sprites and sounds) from SC itself.
Though, what I like about the good old Half-Life 1 is:
1. Its limits are a nice challenge for 2017 mapping
2. It lags less than Sven Co-op
3. It supports co-op even though it wasn't made for it
Yes, HL1 natively supports co-op if you didn't know. Though, it's not as explicit as in Sven Co-op. It's literally deathmatch with the addition of monsters, and you need mp_allowmonsters 1. (I think I wrote it right)
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 07:57:16 UTC
Post #334554
@Admer456
Yes, Half-Life indeed was supposed to have a coop mode. You can find some info_nodes on valve's hldm maps and even a level change on boot_camp which makes the game crash.
What about sven coop... I doubt I'll ever switch to it anyway because I will need to adapt my levels for multiple players and I just don't like sven coop. It's not as satisfying to play as Half-Life is. And I don't think that mapping for a game you don't like is a good idea.
I don't even know will my map compile without problems like missing faces anyway so first I need to compile it, fix all errors I can find and maybe then I'll think about SC.
However if I could make sp maps for sc with it's features I'd switch.
Yes, Half-Life indeed was supposed to have a coop mode. You can find some info_nodes on valve's hldm maps and even a level change on boot_camp which makes the game crash.
What about sven coop... I doubt I'll ever switch to it anyway because I will need to adapt my levels for multiple players and I just don't like sven coop. It's not as satisfying to play as Half-Life is. And I don't think that mapping for a game you don't like is a good idea.
I don't even know will my map compile without problems like missing faces anyway so first I need to compile it, fix all errors I can find and maybe then I'll think about SC.
However if I could make sp maps for sc with it's features I'd switch.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 08:08:28 UTC
Post #334555
Here's something I made a long while ago:
Apparently, I might pick it up and work on it again.
Maybe...
But with Sven Co-op, I'll definitely not have such a hard time extending the terrain.
Maybe...
But with Sven Co-op, I'll definitely not have such a hard time extending the terrain.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 08:53:30 UTC
Post #334556
@Admer456
You can make a great map/mappack/mod without such effects like moving terrain.
You could make it move slower, then add an env_fade and trigger_teleport with master, and then make an another moving terrain near the first one, so player teleports there, so the scene will take more time.
Also, did you use ZHLT Lightflags for the shadows? Because I wonder how it was made in Op4 along with changing skybox at the ending cutscene.
You can make a great map/mappack/mod without such effects like moving terrain.
You could make it move slower, then add an env_fade and trigger_teleport with master, and then make an another moving terrain near the first one, so player teleports there, so the scene will take more time.
Also, did you use ZHLT Lightflags for the shadows? Because I wonder how it was made in Op4 along with changing skybox at the ending cutscene.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 10:15:01 UTC
Post #334557
There's a tutorial on that about the Op4 opening sequence.
I just used a lot of func_trains with ZHLT Lightflags: Opaque (Concave Fix).
Next, I'd like to add some sandstorm fog. >:D
I just used a lot of func_trains with ZHLT Lightflags: Opaque (Concave Fix).
Next, I'd like to add some sandstorm fog. >:D
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 11:14:00 UTC
Post #334558
@Admer456
I don't think Gearbox had at least Zoners Half-Life Tools at that moment, but maybe I'm wrong.
And still, how did they make skybox to change during the ending sequence without changing the level?
I don't think Gearbox had at least Zoners Half-Life Tools at that moment, but maybe I'm wrong.
And still, how did they make skybox to change during the ending sequence without changing the level?
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 11:14:05 UTC
Post #334559
Signature weapon of sunrise knights. I think I need to adjust the blade to look better when smoothed.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 12:34:12 UTC
Post #334560
And still, how did they make skybox to change during the ending sequence without changing the level?It's actually pretty clever how they did that. One half of the skybox they used in that map is the cliff skybox, and the other half is the Xen skybox. You can't see both sides at the same time while in that level.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 13:26:49 UTC
Post #334561
@Dr. Orange
Uhh... How could I not think about that? Damn it, it sounds so simple and I haven't been able to understand how it works for a really long time until now.
What's interesting is there's no info at the web how it's done, except TWHL of course.
@Snehk
As always - nice. But can you use smoothing on a certain part of a model or you can only smooth the whole model?
Uhh... How could I not think about that? Damn it, it sounds so simple and I haven't been able to understand how it works for a really long time until now.
What's interesting is there's no info at the web how it's done, except TWHL of course.
@Snehk
As always - nice. But can you use smoothing on a certain part of a model or you can only smooth the whole model?
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 14:50:40 UTC
Post #334562
Thanks! There are many things to improve in my models yet.
As for smoothing: pretty much yes. Quick smoothing preview in Wings 3D shows the whole model smoothed after subdivisions. I'll be using different smoothing methods, less poly intensive.
After exporting the model to Milkshape i could re-group the model and apply different smoothing on each body group for example. Not sure about Blender, I keep it mostly for .iqm export/import scripts.
I'm thinking about giving the knight a scabbard for this sword, but can't decide in which place. Strapped to belt, or on the back?
As for smoothing: pretty much yes. Quick smoothing preview in Wings 3D shows the whole model smoothed after subdivisions. I'll be using different smoothing methods, less poly intensive.
After exporting the model to Milkshape i could re-group the model and apply different smoothing on each body group for example. Not sure about Blender, I keep it mostly for .iqm export/import scripts.
I'm thinking about giving the knight a scabbard for this sword, but can't decide in which place. Strapped to belt, or on the back?
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 14:57:36 UTC
Post #334563
@Snehk
You should strap the scabbard to the back I think since it's a longsword I suppose.
You should strap the scabbard to the back I think since it's a longsword I suppose.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 17:59:23 UTC
Post #334565
I should've scalled the sword and scabbard better. Let's assume that for the time being it's something similar to a bastard sword.
It's sheathed on screens. I actually reworked the blade to make it better.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 17:59:36 UTC
Post #334566
You should make the blade longer and scale down the handle.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 18:21:44 UTC
Post #334567
Yeah, currently it has a handle of a greatsword and blade of a broadsword. Also, there's no bardic (those leather straps that scabbard holds on), but I don't think that I'm going to add more geometry to it right now. The knight on it's own is already above 8000 polies (tesselated), not counting the weapon and sheathe. Even though the engine has an on-model limit of 65536 triangles.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 22:59:55 UTC
Post #334568
I've discovered so many new words thanks to you lol. What's funny is that I didn't know the meaning of some of these even in russian. Yep, I seem to be that stupid xD.
Also, how do you apply a texture on a model? Do you, uhm, paint on the model itself?
Also, how do you apply a texture on a model? Do you, uhm, paint on the model itself?
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-22 23:00:01 UTC
Post #334572
So much of SC advertisement going on here, I'll pour a bit too.
SC is not hte only co-op mod out there, and it is proprietary and uses modified engine. Why not try this http://twhl.info/vault.php?map=6172 ?
Works like a mod even with WON HL, does not even use custom rendering hacks. Windawz have you tried it?
SC is not hte only co-op mod out there, and it is proprietary and uses modified engine. Why not try this http://twhl.info/vault.php?map=6172 ?
Works like a mod even with WON HL, does not even use custom rendering hacks. Windawz have you tried it?
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-23 01:47:31 UTC
Post #334573
@xawari
I watched a vid on Youtube and... No offense but all those "memefaces" along with lots of strange weapons have ruined my expectations from this mod. I thought it turns Half-Life to some kind of an UT alternative so I'd be able to make UT-Styled maps without learning how to use the dreadful UnrealEd (this is the most inconvinient editor I've seen). Sorry about that.
I watched a vid on Youtube and... No offense but all those "memefaces" along with lots of strange weapons have ruined my expectations from this mod. I thought it turns Half-Life to some kind of an UT alternative so I'd be able to make UT-Styled maps without learning how to use the dreadful UnrealEd (this is the most inconvinient editor I've seen). Sorry about that.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-23 07:21:32 UTC
Post #334576
@Windawz
Unreal uses subtractive space. In Hammer terms, it's literally carving. Yes, you make rooms by carving stuff. It seems inconvenient, but that's up to personal preference.
@xawari
Hmm, seems cool. I might try mapping for it (alongside +50 unfinished projects, ahahahahaha).
Unreal uses subtractive space. In Hammer terms, it's literally carving. Yes, you make rooms by carving stuff. It seems inconvenient, but that's up to personal preference.
@xawari
Hmm, seems cool. I might try mapping for it (alongside +50 unfinished projects, ahahahahaha).
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-23 09:03:38 UTC
Post #334577
@Admer456
The problem is not the substractive space. I like it a lot and it's so bad HL lacks it. UnrealEd is just... Too complex. Also editing geometry is not as easy and quick as in hammer, that's why Epics even added 2D shape editor there. And of course some weird bugs. When I create a mover and compile the map, the mover has no collisions. UT is one of the best shooters ever, but the editor... I hate it. Now I only use it to change the music on a map.
The problem is not the substractive space. I like it a lot and it's so bad HL lacks it. UnrealEd is just... Too complex. Also editing geometry is not as easy and quick as in hammer, that's why Epics even added 2D shape editor there. And of course some weird bugs. When I create a mover and compile the map, the mover has no collisions. UT is one of the best shooters ever, but the editor... I hate it. Now I only use it to change the music on a map.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-23 09:40:24 UTC
Post #334579
I wonder how's the texture alignment in UnrealEd.
(map not made by me)
Look at those seams, man!
It looks like every face on the cliff has the Face alignment instead of World.
Look at those seams, man!
It looks like every face on the cliff has the Face alignment instead of World.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-23 10:06:44 UTC
Post #334580
@Admer456
There's no such thing as Alt+Right Click or Shift+F6. There's just a menu with some buttons that move the texture by 16 or 32 in a specified direction. I don't even know is there a "Fit" button. It would be wonderful if you'd be able to edit Unreal levels with a different, hammer-like editor, but I know it sounds stupid.
There's no such thing as Alt+Right Click or Shift+F6. There's just a menu with some buttons that move the texture by 16 or 32 in a specified direction. I don't even know is there a "Fit" button. It would be wonderful if you'd be able to edit Unreal levels with a different, hammer-like editor, but I know it sounds stupid.
Posted 7 years ago2017-04-23 10:13:12 UTC
Post #334581
I know that there aren't any Hammer/J.A.C.K. controls in UnrealEd, because I used it. I just forgot how it looks like, lol.
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