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Hey now mate, let's not get too heated or this journal's gonna get locked

Crollo, I think it's fun. And I think it's important to understand the perspectives of everyone you disagree with, it's constructive.

At what point do you draw the line? When it's your family?
Genuinely, I don't see what's so controversial about my stance. I've agreed that the legal immigration process needs to be reformed so we can meet demand. We need to know who these people are before we let them into the country.

But until the immigration process is reformed, nobody is entitled to enter the country without following our rules.

Calling immigrants inhuman, rapists and murders.
Nobody calls immigrants inhuman, rapists and murderers. ILLEGAL immigrants on the other hand, they very well could be because we don't know who we're letting into the country.

Defending their separation because they aren't American children.
American children get separated from their parents all the time. When a parent commits a crime and goes to jail, what do you think we just let the child piss off in the streets or something?

Trump signing an order due to public pressure rather than it maybe being an extremely fucked up thing to do
Another big problem I have with Trump, he does cave to public pressure often. I don't think there's a single person on the planet Trump hasn't pissed off with some of his ideas before.

Trump and his rich white old men openly dislike homosexuals
Maybe Pence does, but Trump himself openly supports gay marriage. Even if you think it's just for show, as long as he isn't actively creating policies that target the LGBT community then I don't see the issue.

are openly sexist
Is this another 'grab 'em by the pussy' thing or have I missed something? Honestly, gimme a citation.

have ACTIVELY DEFENDED NEO NAZIS
People like to take Trump's "there are some very fine people there" comment and bend it all sorts of ways. The thing is, there were a percentage of people there for the "Unite the Right" event who didn't come expecting a majority of neonazis. The neonazis used underhanded marketing tactics to increase their numbers, and there were some very fine people among them.

/ is it just when they actually start murdering people that you'll say "oh wait maybe it's too far"?/
No, they've gone too far when they start putting people in jails when they haven't even committed a crime, or when the punishment for said crime becomes unfair or unusually cruel. The system for arresting illegal immigrants and deporting them is fine, but the system for accepting legal immigrants isn't yet.

I know you've got questionable views because you stood outside a university and wore a diaper because...
because FREEDOM!

Dim, I know you're right wing
Since when? I'm a liberal my man, just not a progressive.

Grab em by the pussy mentality seen as the norm. Treating people differently based on race seen as the norm. It's a collective consciousness thing and it's absolutely how things eventually get brought to extremes.

I dunno man. This past year I've spent alot of time with right-leaning groups on my campus, and there's never really been any racially charged or sexist sentiments. Hell, three of the leaders of TPUSA chapters were women, and out of my chapter at least two of them were LGBT and of multiple races. Half of the people I know who voted for Trump don't like the guy and think he's outrageous, but like him better than the opposition.

Trump's kinda the most hated person on the planet now, so it's nowhere near being the collective conscious. Even his own supporters are upset when he flip flops on issues like gun control. As for the white power marches, the alt-right thought Trump's election would be their big chance to break out, but they barely mustered a few hundred people for their rally that pretty much everyone has demonized. The only thing that "normalizes" these things is the media, who're getting selectively outraged about whatever will further their agenda.

Also, women will only let you grab them by the pussy straight up if you're a billionaire. Note his words, "they'll let you do it." Until I see some evidence that women aren't sexually available to billionaires, I'll have to take his word for it.

Oh shut up, you know I don't support Britain's government. Scottish independence, yo.
Count Dankula was Scottish. Court sentenced him a fine of £800 for his nazi pug video.

Everything has a progression. Just because it's not at its most extreme yet doesn't mean we shouldn't kick the fuck off when it's heading in that direction.
Come on Arch, you know this is a slippery slope fallacy. When the administration becomes genuinely extremist, I'll be right along with you guys with the molotov cocktails. Hell, a revolution'd probably be easy with how many guns we've got around here.

I think you've made some strong arguments here, Jeff. You're giving me a lot to consider.

I've tried to explain this to you before in other conversations but ethnicity doesn't cause a predisposition to crime.
But different ethnic groups do behave differently and there is data beyond arrest records that represents this. It's not because of their ethnicity, but it exists. To say that certain ethnicity have certain rates when it comes to committing crimes is merely observational.

sending them back to be slaughtered by the people they were fleeing sounds like an even worse option.
What about the ones who aren't being slaughtered? The economic migrants and such? How do we tell the difference between them? How do we tell which ones are and aren't criminals? The main point I've been trying to make is that organizing migration without documentation is a major issue and the solution needs to involve some kind of system to keep track of documented immigration.

As for your points on Mexico, I can only say that if a revolution hasn't happened yet, it's probably not going to. And also please don't say the phrase "Make Mexico Great Again" as that's very tone-deaf in light of the past couple of years.
The Mexican government is actively keeping it from happening. I'm convinced a revolution would be brewing if the lower classes weren't leaving in strides. Also, what's wrong with saying "Make Mexico Great Again?" Are we supposed to just sit back and celebrate Mexico becoming a worse and worse place until the entire country hollows itself out?

why are you not going all the way and saying we should have private police forces and fire departments?
I did say Pizza Defense Force, didn't I?

I could be Rothbard and try to say that we should privatize police and fire departments, but I think police and fire departments are legitimate because they don't entitle you to anything except the things you already have.

Nationalism on the other hand? You're going to have to provide some concrete proof of that ever making anything other than discrimination, war, and genocide.
I think a general pride in your homeland and culture is important. If you respect your culture and want it to prosper, you should seek to protect it. If you want to prove your value of your culture and ideas, you do incredibly things to set an example for the world stage. I don't think race should play a role in nationalism, it's when you enter racial nationalism and ethnic superiority/inferiority that you've entered incredibly dangerous territory.

Dimbark. Immigrants do not commit crimes.Pretty sure every group of people has a percentage that is likely to commit crime, but this is besides the point. The purposes of documented legal immigration is to ensure that only those who pass through our borders don't have a history of crime, and aren't participating in human or drug trafficking.

The people entering your country are doing so because they're fleeing the criminals. They are refugees.

So the US is not only the world police, but also the world refuge? The corrupt Mexican government has been actively trying to deport their lower class to the United States. Why? Because if there is no lower class, there's no revolution, which is the only thing that can fix Mexico. Mexico doesn't deserve to be in the state it's in right now, especially with how rich it is in resources. If the good people leave the country, since that's an alternative they have to forming a revolution and overthrowing the blatantly corrupt government, then things aren't going to change for the better. The country is going to get progressively worse, and the demand for migration to the US is going to escalate.

We cannot take this many immigrants, and breaking the law to migrate will only hurt legal immigrants. The only people who can make Mexico great again are its people.

The reason they're entering your country illegally (and as I've said applying for asylum cancels out that misdemeanor, legally speaking) is because your orange "god-king" closed the ports of entry, meaning they cannot enter the country legally via the ground.

I agree with you on this. This is what I don't like about Trump and I hope he fixes it. Immigration should be a smoother process, and we need to get rid of the quota systems that are in place because the demand is very excessive. But, if you are a citizen of any country, you are not entitled to entry of any other country without their express permission.

/ (and as I've said applying for asylum cancels out that misdemeanor, legally speaking)/
Yeah, but what do we do when an excessive amount of them apply for asylum, and turn out to not be eligible as refugees?

because your orange "god-king"
imagine judging people by the color of their skin

These people just want a new life safe from tyranny and oppression.
Yeah, and I'm supportive of these immigrants and the points you make further on. Immigration is beneficial to our economy, and we need a functioning system that is capable of bending to the demand for entry. Nobody disagrees with this. What people do disagree with is letting people in when we don't know who they are.

Instead your government is spending more money than I pay a month in rent, per person, daily, to lock them away. This doesn't help them, it doesn't help you, and it wastes an inordinate amount of your taxpayer money that could be spent doing something useful like fixing your crumbling infrastructure or funding a national healthcare plan.
Well, now we've got Domino's pizza paving our roads. Hopefully they'll start paying for our healthcare next, and then the private Dominos pizza police force can make sure my pizza is protected. In all seriousness, I think the government should stick to enforcing the law and leave the free markets to solve these issues. I've been reading up on Rothbard, if you couldn't tell btw

If this decision was really about "America First" the Trump administration would be welcoming these people with open arms. It's not about helping America. It's about getting rid of the "filthy brown people".

I think at the end of the day, this comes to values. I value the people of my country, and I think the people of any country should value their people as well. Nationalism and competition between nations has created a lot of progress in our world socially and economically. As per this ideology, I think it's in America's best interest to have a better filtering system for legal immigration to ensure the best for our people and economy. And I think it's in Mexico's best interest to have an undivided lower class that can overthrow their current system and replace it.

I hope I've done a better job at spelling out some of my points, and I wanna hear your refutations.

Nazis in the White House, kids buying into it.

Tell me when we start systematically killing people based on their race, or when we start detaining documented legal immigrants and citizens.

At least we don't have gag orders or limitations on speech like in your country, and least the rule of law here doesn't bow to anyone because of their race.

So what's the proposed solution? I'd agree that we should probably step up and make the facilities more adequate, and dedicate some more resources to make deportation a quick and speedy process.

The reason Trump calls people "murderers and rapists" is because when an immigrant is undocumented, some of them literally could be and we would have no way in knowing. That's kind of the point of a documented immigration system, to keep these kinds of people out of the country, as criminals may be disproportionately more likely to want to leave their homeland to evade the police. If we don't have a solid system to keep track of these people and make sure we know who they are before we let them into the country, then a lot of terrible things can pass through the border.

*https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html*

At time of posting, an hour ago the president signed an executive order to stop separating children from their parents. Hopefully this is a big step in resolving this terrible situation.

C'mon satchmo, I know you're too smart to be this hyperbolic about what's going on.

Yeah, there are a lot of bad things happening. Children are being separated from their parents when they've been arrested and we don't know where to put them.

But are we really at Holocaust levels yet? Is gathering people who broke the law to enter a country and putting them back into their homeland anywhere near the equivalent of systematically selecting people of a certain ethnicity, whether citizen or not, and putting them in death camps where they're starved and killed.

Huh. So THAT'S where the monkey comes from.

Idk, I'm a strong anti-modern-feminist and I don't particularly care.

I think more what's happening is that people are so polarized and self-masturbatory that they'll find anything to complain about. The fact that many women didn't fight in WWII is how they're justifying their complaints, despite Battlefield being a pretty fantastical series that doesn't care about being a documentary.

Similarly, a few years ago lotsa people used to complain about the lack of women in these games, and I don't really care about that, either.

I tried to get him to explain just what any of this had to do with communism but he wouldn't elaborate, making me think he doesn't quite know what that word "Marxism" means.

Not to open the doors to a huge debate, but Marxism is the deconstruction of social roles -- specifically classes. Neo-Marxism takes this deconstructive approach to many societal identities, like gender roles, which is what you do to an extent when you put a female in a traditionally masculine role. But complaining about characters' genders in art is dumb no matter what side you're on, IMO.

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Unrelated, but I did see one instance of this happening where the dev team might have actually gone too far in trying to be inclusive. Remember in that CoD WWII game where you could fight black female Nazis?

Download button, not good.

Happy birthday my man

That's what you get for smurfing, I guess.

I didn't know they actually banned for that. I guess if you're shit for the first round, you better stay shit for the second round.

Spore?

Miraculous timing with this game. Inbetween you starting the project and today, indie metroidvania-style games have exploded in popularity.

Happy birthday my dude

i was a furry until i shaved

whelp, I guess this place is dead now.

Hey, it's just data and statistics. Pure, hard social science.

can we talk about this for a second

Obligatory Dimbark shitpost

Why does anybody like Nintendo 64 games? They've all aged really poorly, I don't think more than a handful of them can still be considered good.

this makes sense

Speaking of cleansing, who's gonna scrub my back?

a woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle
-some feminist somewhere probably

man these days will never go

indulgence is a sin

you should meet my girlfriend, rick johnson

Kisses on the mouth are also fine.

Don't let this sex-negative prude poison your mind.

'Ello. How's the wife?

False. Prom is the worst.

At least, my prom was. I went stag, danced with my friend's ex and he got jealous, and then at afterprom I ran an obstacle course 20 times until I sprained my ankle and died.

And there's nothing wrong with kissing your cousin.

Ay you folks like Garfield?