SWAT Echo 12 needs help! [Source]
Created 18 years ago2005-08-14 07:59:55 UTC by
Madcow
Created 18 years ago2005-08-14 07:59:55 UTC by
Madcow
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-18 10:28:44 UTC
Post #128280
For now use the combine model as a swat, il model something later on when i have finishd the p90.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-18 11:25:48 UTC
Post #128296
Combine model? :S
It is the citizens who will be remodelled into swat officers,,
Can you do NPCs too? Omg,, how do you remember how to do that stuff?? Imposseble.. ^^
It is the citizens who will be remodelled into swat officers,,
Can you do NPCs too? Omg,, how do you remember how to do that stuff?? Imposseble.. ^^
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-18 12:00:51 UTC
Post #128304
Uhh,, can you guys upload media to our moddb section?
Else, I'll have to make your abilities higher.
Edit: ( you do it through the control panel.. )
Edit nr2: ( and those guys over at vlatitude don't answere me. >_<)
Else, I'll have to make your abilities higher.
Edit: ( you do it through the control panel.. )
Edit nr2: ( and those guys over at vlatitude don't answere me. >_<)
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-18 12:35:27 UTC
Post #128310
Give em some time, never go's fast, especialy for mods.
Yeah, i do that, really it is easier then weapon modeling, though i havent done it to much.
Yeah, i do that, really it is easier then weapon modeling, though i havent done it to much.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-18 14:13:06 UTC
Post #128321
Cool!
But I can't find an animator ether (haven't tried hl-improvement yet though, I'll try tomorrow, )
By the way, you guys should now be able to upload media to the moddb account,,
I fixed a bit with your premissions..
I thought that it might offend you when it says that I made the model/concept..
But I can't find an animator ether (haven't tried hl-improvement yet though, I'll try tomorrow,
)By the way, you guys should now be able to upload media to the moddb account,,
I fixed a bit with your premissions..
I thought that it might offend you when it says that I made the model/concept..
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-18 14:45:38 UTC
Post #128325
I'm workin on a terrorist concept and I need to know - what handgun will the terrorists use? I'll take an UZI and an AK-47 for a primary wpn... And a knife for a melee wpn... This doesn't mean that they'll use handguns and melees ingame, but it's just for the concept... 
And one more thing - should we have a robber concept?
And one more thing - should we have a robber concept?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-18 15:34:23 UTC
Post #128333
Why does a terrorsit always need to have a ak 47?
most if the times they have the cheaper submachine guns like the scorpion, the mac and the uzi, also the cheap m16, m4 and equal weapons are popular.
most if the times they have the cheaper submachine guns like the scorpion, the mac and the uzi, also the cheap m16, m4 and equal weapons are popular.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-18 16:33:14 UTC
Post #128339
Dunno. I saw the swat movie and the terrs had ak's..
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 01:44:32 UTC
Post #128400
AK 47,, nah!
Every one uses that, we need something new..
You don't need to concept the first rober map, I've done that one,, the concepts will come today! 
What weapons should they use?
I think, benelli M3 is a good choice for both T and SWAT.
Benelli M3 is cheap and often used by both terrorists and the police, and it is even a popular weapon of the citizens in USA, they use it for protection... (sick, I think.. )
Oh, and here is our HIT forum post: http://www.hl-improvement.com/forums/index.php?topic=1705.new#new
Every one uses that, we need something new..
You don't need to concept the first rober map, I've done that one,,
the concepts will come today! What weapons should they use?
I think, benelli M3 is a good choice for both T and SWAT.
Benelli M3 is cheap and often used by both terrorists and the police, and it is even a popular weapon of the citizens in USA, they use it for protection... (sick, I think..
)Oh, and here is our HIT forum post: http://www.hl-improvement.com/forums/index.php?topic=1705.new#new
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 02:16:43 UTC
Post #128406
I meant that we should have a robber NPC, just like the terrorist... It would be more interesting..
I believe that urban-active terrorists would use:
Some kinda SMG. Uzi, mac, navy, rak, scorpion, etc.
Some kinda cheap shotgun. Benelli, mossberg (it's used by swat, but it's accessable at wpn stores), maybe some older things like weatherby.
The only rifle that I think the terrs would use is an AK, but they are used more by big terrorist organizations, which work worldwide, not by terrorists, that swat would encounter.
Handguns? I think that terrorists can access lots of various handguns.
As for robbers - they usually carry some kinda light SMG or handgun, so that they could easily escape from the scene of the crime.
Do you agree wit me?
I believe that urban-active terrorists would use:
Some kinda SMG. Uzi, mac, navy, rak, scorpion, etc.
Some kinda cheap shotgun. Benelli, mossberg (it's used by swat, but it's accessable at wpn stores), maybe some older things like weatherby.
The only rifle that I think the terrs would use is an AK, but they are used more by big terrorist organizations, which work worldwide, not by terrorists, that swat would encounter.
Handguns? I think that terrorists can access lots of various handguns.
As for robbers - they usually carry some kinda light SMG or handgun, so that they could easily escape from the scene of the crime.
Do you agree wit me?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 04:28:38 UTC
Post #128419
Indeed, but dont think its safe out there, most criminal organizations have military weapons, they gain those weapons by attacking weapon transport convoys, that is how they get the p90 or similair weapons, offcourse in america you can buy them on every street corner so that shouldnt be a problem.
I was thinking, why use old weapons, why not the xm8, the p90 and similair weapons from the latest era.
I was thinking, why use old weapons, why not the xm8, the p90 and similair weapons from the latest era.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 04:30:42 UTC
Post #128421
Well somehow I don't see a T carrying a XM or a Krieg in real life...
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 04:32:49 UTC
Post #128423
And why not that? Why would a criminal organization use inferior weapons?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 04:53:23 UTC
Post #128428
Swat encounters close-quarter threats, right? So why the hell would a terrorist need a krieg in close-quarters?? The XM on the other hand could be used tho... Kriegs and other high power rifles are used by international terrorist organizations perhaps. swat only encounters small terrorist or robber groups, who take over a building or hold some ppl hostage in some abandoned warehouse... Terrorists just wouldn't such heavy wpns in such situations..
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 07:37:59 UTC
Post #128445
How about the OICW.. lol,, (joke, I'm not THAT stupid)
Ok, now we deffenetly need a coder (we need more weapon spaces..)
When I think of a terrorist,, and look at the weapon, it is an AK!
But I don't like AK (played TS and started to hate AK 47 and barrett )
I don't know about the weapons..
A glock 18, maby,, maby a glock 20! (I like, but not in TS,, BOOH)
Some Mac.. I dunno..
Maby a LAW luncher, I have no idea!
Ok, now we deffenetly need a coder (we need more weapon spaces..)
When I think of a terrorist,, and look at the weapon, it is an AK!
But I don't like AK (played TS and started to hate AK 47 and barrett
)I don't know about the weapons..
A glock 18, maby,, maby a glock 20! (I like, but not in TS,, BOOH)
Some Mac.. I dunno..
Maby a LAW luncher, I have no idea!
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 08:32:05 UTC
Post #128450
A LAW?? In Close - quarters??? Ur kidding, right?
Anywho - if u need info on any gun, look for it here
Anywho - if u need info on any gun, look for it here
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 09:19:52 UTC
Post #128455
Yes, it was a joke,, ^^
But it would be fun,, if you think about it.. heheheh, man, I'm sick..
I'll have a look! I think I know a good T gun.
Noticed:
http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg15-e.htm
http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg18-e.htm
and
http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as12-e.htm (I saw this in a moive,, a terrorist was holding it, and it seems,, well, I dunno, pepper is good in the subject, I'm not. )
But it would be fun,, if you think about it.. heheheh, man, I'm sick..
I'll have a look! I think I know a good T gun.
Noticed:
http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg15-e.htm
http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg18-e.htm
and
http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as12-e.htm (I saw this in a moive,, a terrorist was holding it, and it seems,, well, I dunno, pepper is good in the subject, I'm not.
)
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 13:05:07 UTC
Post #128477
Omg,, why won't he upload my concepts??
Now we'll have to wait 'till monday..
Unless he did something weird and,, well, meh.
Now we'll have to wait 'till monday..
Unless he did something weird and,, well, meh.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 13:12:54 UTC
Post #128479
Well, look at the movie swordfish, there has the badguy a usp.
depends on region i guess, a terrorsit coming from a communist country will have weapons from the ak fammily, but one from germany probably european weapons, etc.
depends on region i guess, a terrorsit coming from a communist country will have weapons from the ak fammily, but one from germany probably european weapons, etc.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 13:24:27 UTC
Post #128481
Like an old AK 4.. heheheh,,, old memorys.
USP? Odd.. well, Echo 12 is,, uhh,, *dictionaty omg, that word can't be used in a scentence..
Well, any way, Echo 12 will "be all over the world" in the game..
You know, a bit like raindow six, but, rainbow six wasn't a S.W.A.T. "organisation"
So, one part of the game, you are in USA, an other part, you are in russia, then sweden ( might happen, this is a bit in the future, 2008.. )
aaand UK or something.. I don't know.
The idea from the begining was RainbowSix: Source, and that idea lives on.. ^^
But, lol, no rainbow six any more, though.
USP? Odd.. well, Echo 12 is,, uhh,, *dictionaty omg, that word can't be used in a scentence..
Well, any way, Echo 12 will "be all over the world" in the game..
You know, a bit like raindow six, but, rainbow six wasn't a S.W.A.T. "organisation"
So, one part of the game, you are in USA, an other part, you are in russia, then sweden ( might happen, this is a bit in the future, 2008..
)aaand UK or something.. I don't know.
The idea from the begining was RainbowSix: Source, and that idea lives on.. ^^
But, lol, no rainbow six any more, though.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 13:41:34 UTC
Post #128482
Why dont you write a design document first, after that we can set-up a workplan, otherwise nothing will get finishd, some fancy pictures wont make us a game.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 13:55:50 UTC
Post #128484
You're right, I do got a plan though.
Well,, I'll make one
Well,, I'll make one
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 17:23:05 UTC
Post #128514
I don't think I can handle the mod lead alone anymore..
Pepper, you know more than me about SWAT, would you assist me in the mod lead?
Pepper, you know more than me about SWAT, would you assist me in the mod lead?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-19 17:53:04 UTC
Post #128516
Sure, anytime.
Btw, how is the website + adress coming along? Maby we can get hosted by a website, though i dont know many.
Btw, how is the website + adress coming along? Maby we can get hosted by a website, though i dont know many.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 04:00:32 UTC
Post #128551
I think the Tec-9 would be a perfect Terrorist weapon
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 04:18:47 UTC
Post #128554
There is probably a reason it is banned, il look into it, but keep in mind we want 2 weapons and a terrorist and swat model for the first version, lets work on that first and forget the rest, for now.
http://www.impactsites2000.com/site3/class3_10.htm
Done some research to the weapon and my conclusion:
Its utterly crap, if you want to defend yourself against a well trained police team then you do not want to pick this weapon, it has a terrible aim and recoil, its is a simple weapon and is mostly operated by people whom do not have the skill to operate anything other, the weapon is only suited for mass murder and is therefore banned in Amerika.
http://www.impactsites2000.com/site3/class3_10.htm
Done some research to the weapon and my conclusion:
Its utterly crap, if you want to defend yourself against a well trained police team then you do not want to pick this weapon, it has a terrible aim and recoil, its is a simple weapon and is mostly operated by people whom do not have the skill to operate anything other, the weapon is only suited for mass murder and is therefore banned in Amerika.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 04:58:17 UTC
Post #128559
did some speedpainting in photoshop, only a minute work so its utterly crap, but i hope you get the idea of a urban swat team.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3715/concept19op.jpg
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3715/concept19op.jpg
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 05:23:13 UTC
Post #128561
So wouldn't the Tec-9 suit robbers or something ?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 06:01:05 UTC
Post #128567
robbers, yes, criminals, no.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 08:11:15 UTC
Post #128592
OK, I'll now take action!
This is what we need to do in a week (not every thing, but,, at least some things of it)
*Fix an Animator (Madcow)
*Fix a coder (Madcow)
*Upload the T-TAB concept (madcow)
*Start, and maby finnish the T-TAB map. (slasher_101)
*Fix BG map (slasher_101)
*Make a S.W.A.T. transport car model (Pepper)
*Fix new equipment slots and code new weapons (coder)
*Remove the save function from both the menu, and when you press quit while in a game (IF, we do not want to have the save func, CODER)
*T-TAB textures (Daubster)
INFO ABOUT THE SWAT VEHICLE:
Something in this style: S.W.A.T. vehicle
Needs to have a "set" on the side where a map can be placed and needs to be open able (also, enabled to be inside the back of the car,, where they sit)
Textures for T-TAB:
A T-TAB decal, like, their logo.. will be placed on the windows.
Needs to have a transparant BG, I think this can be done in the compile command.
We also need a big window security block texture.
You know, one of these things that comes down behind the windows in, for example, a store, so if some one breaks the glass, they still can't get it.
Background map
The bg camera will be placed in an ally where a swat vehicle is parked, the enviroment is dirty and foggy.
The walls is full with "scribble"
This is what we need to do in a week (not every thing, but,, at least some things of it)
*Fix an Animator (Madcow)
*Fix a coder (Madcow)
*Upload the T-TAB concept (madcow)
*Start, and maby finnish the T-TAB map. (slasher_101)
*Fix BG map (slasher_101)
*Make a S.W.A.T. transport car model (Pepper)
*Fix new equipment slots and code new weapons (coder)
*Remove the save function from both the menu, and when you press quit while in a game (IF, we do not want to have the save func, CODER)
*T-TAB textures (Daubster)
INFO ABOUT THE SWAT VEHICLE:
Something in this style: S.W.A.T. vehicle
Needs to have a "set" on the side where a map can be placed and needs to be open able (also, enabled to be inside the back of the car,, where they sit)
Textures for T-TAB:
A T-TAB decal, like, their logo.. will be placed on the windows.
Needs to have a transparant BG, I think this can be done in the compile command.
We also need a big window security block texture.
You know, one of these things that comes down behind the windows in, for example, a store, so if some one breaks the glass, they still can't get it.
Background map
The bg camera will be placed in an ally where a swat vehicle is parked, the enviroment is dirty and foggy.
The walls is full with "scribble"
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 08:12:32 UTC
Post #128593
By the way pepper, I think we can get hosted by Planet half-life or, HL2 files.
I'll see what I can find.
EDIT: Some one adviced me to post about SWAT mod at HL2 files so they can post it as news.. Should I do that?
Or maby contact PHL, or maby both?
I'll see what I can find.
EDIT: Some one adviced me to post about SWAT mod at HL2 files so they can post it as news.. Should I do that?
Or maby contact PHL, or maby both?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 08:39:45 UTC
Post #128599
Hey Madcow, whats "BG map" ?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 08:41:48 UTC
Post #128600
Hey, when I go to the ModDb site, it says "A database error has occured processing this page"
EDIT: Never mind, says that with all of them, for me. Does it work for anyone else ?
EDIT: Never mind, says that with all of them, for me. Does it work for anyone else ?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 08:49:46 UTC
Post #128601
Madcow, aint going to work. Your schedule is way to tight. LEts first create a map and replacement weapons, then we got something to show for the media, at that way you will attract new people, otherwise they wont come, also the next study year will start next week for me, dont know how much time il have left.
And lets drop the multiplayer version for later releases, lets get your singleplayer idea to work first, also if you ned help with coding move to the VERC Collective, there are some coders haging around there.
Il work on the swat vehicle after i have finishd the p90.
And lets drop the multiplayer version for later releases, lets get your singleplayer idea to work first, also if you ned help with coding move to the VERC Collective, there are some coders haging around there.
Il work on the swat vehicle after i have finishd the p90.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 10:43:13 UTC
Post #128615
Pepper, a BG map is a background map, used in the menu..
If you make a bg map, you simply make a map, place a info_player_start, and then, you place a,,, well, I forgot the entity name but, a background_camera or something, and what the cam sees, will be showed in the menu.
You sure are smart pepper,
Ok, we make a map and a few replace ments, then, we get media, then we post at PHL and HL2 files, and after that, we get to VERC and gets some more staff.
How is that?
By the way, the database error is nothing,, they are having problems right now, (in the moddb news) but it will be fixed soon I bet.
If you make a bg map, you simply make a map, place a info_player_start, and then, you place a,,, well, I forgot the entity name but, a background_camera or something, and what the cam sees, will be showed in the menu.
You sure are smart pepper,
Ok, we make a map and a few replace ments, then, we get media, then we post at PHL and HL2 files, and after that, we get to VERC and gets some more staff.
How is that?
By the way, the database error is nothing,, they are having problems right now, (in the moddb news) but it will be fixed soon I bet.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 11:02:16 UTC
Post #128626
Alright, didnt know that.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 12:24:24 UTC
Post #128638
When do you think the P90 will be done? (without counting with renders)
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 12:42:10 UTC
Post #128640
I have no idea, the uvmapping can take up to 5 hours if i want a decent one, the texturing up to 12.
Modeling a hour to go. to make it 19 hours in total.
Modeling a hour to go. to make it 19 hours in total.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 12:43:18 UTC
Post #128641
what is uvmapping? :S
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 13:41:02 UTC
Post #128648
Before i can put a texture on the model i need t ospread out the skin on a ...skin.
You can compare it with ripping of all your skin and flattening it on a piece of paper.
http://membres.lycos.fr/bobois/Tuts/uvmapping/uvmapping01.html
You can compare it with ripping of all your skin and flattening it on a piece of paper.
http://membres.lycos.fr/bobois/Tuts/uvmapping/uvmapping01.html
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 13:51:57 UTC
Post #128649
Yeah,, that's great 
By the way, Moddb is back!
And we have 11 watchers! ( dun dun dun,, mweeep mweep)
And, I just relised that I will not be able to do the SWAT mod website, cuz I can't code PHP (HL2files and PHL ONLY allows PHP, and CGI I bet..)
Oh, and I posted at chatbears help wanted forum..
Forum board: http://www.chatbear.com/board.plm?a=boardlisting&b=3485&v=flatold&s=0
Post: http://www.chatbear.com/board.plm?a=viewthread&t=85,1124561922,19585&id=896322&b=3485&v=flatold
By the way, Moddb is back!
And we have 11 watchers! ( dun dun dun,, mweeep mweep)
And, I just relised that I will not be able to do the SWAT mod website, cuz I can't code PHP (HL2files and PHL ONLY allows PHP, and CGI I bet..)
Oh, and I posted at chatbears help wanted forum..
Forum board: http://www.chatbear.com/board.plm?a=boardlisting&b=3485&v=flatold&s=0
Post: http://www.chatbear.com/board.plm?a=viewthread&t=85,1124561922,19585&id=896322&b=3485&v=flatold
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-20 19:37:40 UTC
Post #128718
Pepper, a BG map is a background map...I asked the question,
And must I start work on the BG map or the T-Tab map first ?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-21 08:12:20 UTC
Post #128807
Lol, I'm confused.. well, any way.
I was thinking if Daubster could make some SWAT vehicle textures, so we could start with brush based SWAT cars,, after all, those cars are pritty squarish.. And I think it would be more dynamic if it where made of brushes.. Well, and after the textures are made, you could start with the BG map,, and don't worry, it doesn't have to be ready aug 28, just,, started on.. So we get this rolling,
I'll PM Daubster about the textures
I was thinking if Daubster could make some SWAT vehicle textures, so we could start with brush based SWAT cars,, after all, those cars are pritty squarish.. And I think it would be more dynamic if it where made of brushes.. Well, and after the textures are made, you could start with the BG map,, and don't worry, it doesn't have to be ready aug 28, just,, started on.. So we get this rolling,
I'll PM Daubster about the textures
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-21 08:54:26 UTC
Post #128818
Oh, and I'll fix the SWAT vehicle,, brush based one..
I'll make it in some other texture and make it a prefab until daubster finnish the real ones,,
I'll make it in some other texture and make it a prefab until daubster finnish the real ones,,
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-21 13:52:54 UTC
Post #128865
Been away for the weekend... Will start workin on the textures.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-21 14:07:48 UTC
Post #128867
Welcome back!
I just figgured out a way to make a door,, breach able!
I made an example, but,, hammer crashed when I was about to save it..
Steam shit,,
(
Hammer crashed be cause INTERNET crashed.. STEAM SUCKS SO MUCH!
)
Any ways, it can be done with a func_door_rotating and a func_rotating..
And of course a button and stuff..
I think it works, I never had the chance to test it though
I just figgured out a way to make a door,, breach able!
I made an example, but,, hammer crashed when I was about to save it..
Steam shit,,
(
Hammer crashed be cause INTERNET crashed.. STEAM SUCKS SO MUCH!
)
Any ways, it can be done with a func_door_rotating and a func_rotating..
And of course a button and stuff..
I think it works, I never had the chance to test it though
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-21 14:56:55 UTC
Post #128880
Hey, Madcow. can I just post maps I want you to see in "unfinished maps" ?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-21 15:05:08 UTC
Post #128885
Shouldnt we set-up our own forum?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-21 16:17:23 UTC
Post #128898
Yeah,, when we get a host..
I have no idea how to use those stupid templates..
How ever, our old site (that I made) crashed.. IIS went nuts and blew up WINDOWS
Slasher: Nah, that would not be good.. Umm,, do you have hotmail?
MSN I mean..
I have no idea how to use those stupid templates..
How ever, our old site (that I made) crashed.. IIS went nuts and blew up WINDOWS
Slasher: Nah, that would not be good.. Umm,, do you have hotmail?
MSN I mean..
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-21 16:28:36 UTC
Post #128900
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa, IIS :D.
:D.
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