Uhh,, I don't think P90 and five seven uses the same amunition..
Or do you mean that they have the same size? (caliber,, right?)
Hmm, It seems like I only know the names but I don't know so much about that subject any way..
What do you think fits with the mp5 then?
We do only have space for 2 different guns.. so,,
I first thought: Five seven and Desert eagle!
But I don't know any more,, ^^
Maby a glock! MP5 and Glock both is 9mm.
SWAT Echo 12 needs help! [Source]
Created 18 years ago2005-08-14 07:59:55 UTC by
Madcow
Created 18 years ago2005-08-14 07:59:55 UTC by
Madcow
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 12:57:34 UTC
Post #127757
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:08:52 UTC
Post #127762
Id like to do both...
I think that you need skinning sooner, but i can do some concepts too...
I think that you need skinning sooner, but i can do some concepts too...
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:09:49 UTC
Post #127763
Desert eagle is the worst choice possible, hell its a horrbile weapon for a SWAT team.
1. it is one of the biggest hand weapons availible today, it has a hugh recoil deu to the gas-powered blow back system, also the only weapon in the world. And offcourse, you would need 2 hands to be able to fire it quikly, otherwise there would be a chance of ripping of your hand. This gun is overated, mainly deu to hollywood whom used it more then once in movies. and offcourse videogames, counterstrike would be a fine example of this, but also think of Far-Cry and many others.
Edit:
Het kleine broertje van de P90 (die gebruik maakt van dezelfde kogel) is de FN Five-seveN.
Translation:
The small brother of the P90 (whom uses the same bullet) is the FN Five-seveN
Told ya so^_^
1. it is one of the biggest hand weapons availible today, it has a hugh recoil deu to the gas-powered blow back system, also the only weapon in the world. And offcourse, you would need 2 hands to be able to fire it quikly, otherwise there would be a chance of ripping of your hand. This gun is overated, mainly deu to hollywood whom used it more then once in movies. and offcourse videogames, counterstrike would be a fine example of this, but also think of Far-Cry and many others.
Edit:
Het kleine broertje van de P90 (die gebruik maakt van dezelfde kogel) is de FN Five-seveN.
Translation:
The small brother of the P90 (whom uses the same bullet) is the FN Five-seveN
Told ya so^_^
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:12:21 UTC
Post #127764
Id use a soccom.45 or a usp... Five-seven also sounds swat-ish... 
And a BIG no for the deagle... That really doesn't sound like a swat weapon... :
And a BIG no for the deagle... That really doesn't sound like a swat weapon... :
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:12:23 UTC
Post #127765
Id use a soccom.45 or a usp... Five-seven also sounds swat-ish...
And a BIG no for the deagle... That really doesn't sound like a swat weapon... :
And a BIG no for the deagle... That really doesn't sound like a swat weapon... :
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:14:53 UTC
Post #127767
The socom mk-23 is a personal defense weapon, extremely expensive and extremely reliable, it can withstand most wheather effects and operate without trouble in them.
And its not used by the swat.
http://www.hkpro.com/socom.htm
Daubster, you got previous skinning work to show?
And its not used by the swat.
http://www.hkpro.com/socom.htm
Daubster, you got previous skinning work to show?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:15:10 UTC
Post #127768
USP,, well,, that's a good choice. I think.. ^^
Well, pepper knows most, I think he decide.
What do you,, uhh, concept (=P) maps, models, uhh,, well,, what do you do?
Do you have any work to show of?
Well, pepper knows most, I think he decide.
Id like to do both...Sure!
I think that you need skinning sooner, but i can do some concepts too...
What do you,, uhh, concept (=P) maps, models, uhh,, well,, what do you do?
Do you have any work to show of?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:20:14 UTC
Post #127771
thinks Dunno.. Guess I could make sumpin about swat before bed..
And for skinning - i can only make textures, coz i dunno, how to skin models technically...
One problem: I have no scanner... But i think i could scan my stuff at my m8tes house... Ill try to scan sumpin tomorrow... And yes I can map, but only for hl1. Modelling? Tried once, not gd enough at this.. coding? Just started on C++ - not gd enough either..
And for skinning - i can only make textures, coz i dunno, how to skin models technically...
One problem: I have no scanner... But i think i could scan my stuff at my m8tes house... Ill try to scan sumpin tomorrow... And yes I can map, but only for hl1. Modelling? Tried once, not gd enough at this.. coding? Just started on C++ - not gd enough either..
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:34:56 UTC
Post #127773
Ok,, you know that they use the same source, materials are both used for models and normal textures..
But if you only want to do "normal textures" then sure!
We need that too!
Got a moddb account?
But if you only want to do "normal textures" then sure!
We need that too!
Got a moddb account?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:40:41 UTC
Post #127774
Skinning is a tad bit different then texturing, when with texturing you create a multiple of 2 tile with skinning you work on a mess. Or a 3d model, im simple words.
You first create a uv map, see it as splatting a bug on paper, you see all of his sides on the texture, you save it as a model and the coordinates are saved, then you only need to paint the skin.
But il do it myself, i know a few peeps whom are good in skinning so that isnt a problem.
You first create a uv map, see it as splatting a bug on paper, you see all of his sides on the texture, you save it as a model and the coordinates are saved, then you only need to paint the skin.
But il do it myself, i know a few peeps whom are good in skinning so that isnt a problem.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:46:53 UTC
Post #127775
Ok! Good!
Yeah, I know it's a mess,, I tried once and,, it didn't work out that great but!
Can you decompile a HL2 material file into bmp or any photoshop format so you can edit it?
Yeah, I know it's a mess,, I tried once and,, it didn't work out that great but!
Can you decompile a HL2 material file into bmp or any photoshop format so you can edit it?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:53:35 UTC
Post #127777
Why would i want to do that? But yeah, it should be possible, though i have no idea what format it is.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 14:17:48 UTC
Post #127782
Guess I won't skin then... Whatever... I could be a texture artist then... And concept too...
Heres an example of a texture i made wit phsp in 10mins... Its crp, but i havent got any more examples... Just ask me wat example you'd need and ill give ya one...
http://www.geocities.com/daubster_maps/wall.jpg
Heres an example of a texture i made wit phsp in 10mins... Its crp, but i havent got any more examples... Just ask me wat example you'd need and ill give ya one...
http://www.geocities.com/daubster_maps/wall.jpg
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 15:32:14 UTC
Post #127792
About the pistols, I seriously vote for the ACP .45 with a black handle.
You guys will prob say it's un SWATish, but I like that gun
But we definitely must have a pistol with laser sight, like the socom.
You guys will prob say it's un SWATish, but I like that gun
But we definitely must have a pistol with laser sight, like the socom.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 15:59:05 UTC
Post #127796
Hmm, the USP shouldnt be in it, its already in half-life 2 and counter-strike source.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 16:23:28 UTC
Post #127801
Why would i want to do that?lol, sorry about that! I didn't mean that you should do it,, I just wondered if it was posseble,, you know my english,, ^^ I don't know how to express my self some times..
[quote]
But we definitely must have a pistol with laser sight, like the socom.
{/quote]
Hmm, that will not be posseble without an experienced coder,,
Looks like I have to search for one anyway..
But still,, does use really use laser sights?
That would be kind of stupid, I mean,, it is easy to se a red dot in the dark so the enemy would easely find S.W.A.T. officers in the dark?
Or am I wrong? :S
Hmm, the USP shouldnt be in it, its already in half-life 2 and counter-strike source.Is that an USP?? (in hl2)
Looks like an,, well,, when I think about it, those things on the top marks that it is an USP,, right? Those green thingys.
Guns:
But what do you think about glock 18 together with the MP5?
And for the P90,, I'm not sure.. :/
What guns is it you use in SWAT 4? (if you don't count the "taser")
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 16:37:50 UTC
Post #127804
You know, we only ever use one comma (,) at a time in English :).
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 16:40:11 UTC
Post #127806
*brain overload 
Is this the socom you guys was talking about?
piccy: http://www.okunushi.co.jp/object4/mgg%20ksc%20hk%20socom.JPG
Is this the socom you guys was talking about?
piccy: http://www.okunushi.co.jp/object4/mgg%20ksc%20hk%20socom.JPG
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 17:47:02 UTC
Post #127820
Indeed, that is a socom mark 23. also know as the mk-23. One of the weapons featured in The Specialists, and by coincidence one of my favorite.
Yeah, gordon uses a USP Match, the black thing on front is there to destroy recoil.
Yeah, gordon uses a USP Match, the black thing on front is there to destroy recoil.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 01:33:38 UTC
Post #127851
One of my favourite TS weapons too.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 04:16:18 UTC
Post #127866
Theirs also a P90 in CS:S
Also may I request something? Yes? OK.
I would like to see an SA80!
Also may I request something? Yes? OK.
I would like to see an SA80!
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 04:41:32 UTC
Post #127873
Isnt that a military weapon?
And isnt it british? As far as i know this is situated in North America.
And i recall seeing british troops also using the mp5 sub-machine gun.
Something to point out about the p90:
The P90 is the ultimate system for operating in urban and other close-quarter battle scenarios. This system is built around our revolutionary 5.7 x 28mm ammunition, which gives you the best of both worlds: It easily penetrates soft body armor, but since the dual-core projectile destabilizes on impact, overpenetration is unlikely. The P90 provides a compact, lightweight and completely ambidextrous platform for this ammunition. The 50 round magazine runs horizontally across the top of the P90, keeping it compact and empty casings are ejected downward, where they cannot interfere with the user. The P90 fires from a closed bolt, giving it outstanding accuracy and making it easy to keep on target. The Five-seveN tactical pistol, also chambered for 5.7 x 28mm, is an excellent companion to the P90. The FN P90 sub-machine gun is the ideal personal defense weapon for armored vehicles or helicopter crews. Perfectly fitted for law enforcement tactical teams.
With a speed of 500-700ms at the end of the muzzle it isnt a humain weapon, especialy since its able to penetrate most armors.
So if we want realism, this is a extremely deadly weapon. And, are we going to work with iron sights?
And isnt it british? As far as i know this is situated in North America.
And i recall seeing british troops also using the mp5 sub-machine gun.
Something to point out about the p90:
The P90 is the ultimate system for operating in urban and other close-quarter battle scenarios. This system is built around our revolutionary 5.7 x 28mm ammunition, which gives you the best of both worlds: It easily penetrates soft body armor, but since the dual-core projectile destabilizes on impact, overpenetration is unlikely. The P90 provides a compact, lightweight and completely ambidextrous platform for this ammunition. The 50 round magazine runs horizontally across the top of the P90, keeping it compact and empty casings are ejected downward, where they cannot interfere with the user. The P90 fires from a closed bolt, giving it outstanding accuracy and making it easy to keep on target. The Five-seveN tactical pistol, also chambered for 5.7 x 28mm, is an excellent companion to the P90. The FN P90 sub-machine gun is the ideal personal defense weapon for armored vehicles or helicopter crews. Perfectly fitted for law enforcement tactical teams.
With a speed of 500-700ms at the end of the muzzle it isnt a humain weapon, especialy since its able to penetrate most armors.
So if we want realism, this is a extremely deadly weapon. And, are we going to work with iron sights?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 06:45:47 UTC
Post #127902
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 06:48:14 UTC
Post #127904
im sorry, but its to generic, you can see all of the photoshop filters. I dont like it.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 07:24:57 UTC
Post #127918
Yes,, it do look a bit,, uh, cartoonish? (I didn't find anything in the dictionary)
I think it is the colors,, they are to strong to look real. (The brick wall)
If you only make a brick wall, and make the colors much more "week" then I think it will look real.
But If you think about it, you make it look like graffiti or,, decals.
So save that tecnique, it is quite handy while making decals I bet
The SA80 doesn't seem so,, swattish,
I was thinking about changing the SPASS 12 into a Nova pump-action..
I'm not sure what model though..
I think it is the colors,, they are to strong to look real. (The brick wall)
If you only make a brick wall, and make the colors much more "week" then I think it will look real.
But If you think about it, you make it look like graffiti or,, decals.
So save that tecnique, it is quite handy while making decals I bet
The SA80 doesn't seem so,, swattish,
I was thinking about changing the SPASS 12 into a Nova pump-action..
I'm not sure what model though..
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 09:39:00 UTC
Post #127939
Here is a few shotgun examples (replacing the SPASS 12)
they are all Benelli
http://www.fishbg.com/reklama/vip/images/products/benelliguns.jpg
they are all Benelli
http://www.fishbg.com/reklama/vip/images/products/benelliguns.jpg
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 10:29:26 UTC
Post #127968
The benneli m3 tactical shotgun used by police forces all around the globe.
Good choice, il look into it.
Good choice, il look into it.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 11:23:09 UTC
Post #127975
Found some info about the M3,,
According to this, it has 2 different fire selections, Automatic and single.. But we can make it,, I hope,
Info: http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh15-e.htm
Btw, how is the P90 going?
How does it look?
According to this, it has 2 different fire selections, Automatic and single.. But we can make it,, I hope,
Info: http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh15-e.htm
Btw, how is the P90 going?
How does it look?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 11:31:55 UTC
Post #127976
Hey, about the pistols:
1. True, it would be easy for enemys to see the laser, but we seriously HAVE TO HAVE ONE !
can't you take the coding of the laser sight from the rocket-launcher and stick it on the pistol ?
2. PLEASE consider the ACP .45 ! (pistol) and if you do, It should have the black handel, not wooden.
(and I like the Benelli idea)
1. True, it would be easy for enemys to see the laser, but we seriously HAVE TO HAVE ONE !
can't you take the coding of the laser sight from the rocket-launcher and stick it on the pistol ?
2. PLEASE consider the ACP .45 ! (pistol) and if you do, It should have the black handel, not wooden.
(and I like the Benelli idea)
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 11:39:56 UTC
Post #127978
I also found this: http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh20-e.htm
Looks like it would be a good gun for the terrorists..
But it would require more coding though, there is only 2 auto rifle spaces in normal HL2..
And I did notice, that in the benelli info, they said it was a favorite for the police, and ALSO for the citizens, for protection (sick, but true?)
So this would be a logical use of weapon for both terrorists and SWAT.
Looks like it would be a good gun for the terrorists..
But it would require more coding though, there is only 2 auto rifle spaces in normal HL2..
And I did notice, that in the benelli info, they said it was a favorite for the police, and ALSO for the citizens, for protection (sick, but true?)
So this would be a logical use of weapon for both terrorists and SWAT.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 11:52:12 UTC
Post #127981
Agreed, but isn't it possible to put in more weapon slots ?
I'm sure it woudn't take that much coding
I'm sure it woudn't take that much coding
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 12:34:13 UTC
Post #127982
No, we dont want someone to have 10 weapons. Only a primary and a sidearm + a knife.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 13:16:27 UTC
Post #127987
I have made a plan for the first mission!
(I made consept and made the swat plan,, it is bulletproove, )
The first map name is T-TAB. It is a small store that was robbed by 3 men.
No 911 call, but the man at the register activated the silent alarm..
The nagisiator was shot while entering..
All the windows was blocked (the terrorists pressed the close down button so on each window is blocked by a,, well, I guess you guys know what I mean, I have no word for it. )
So. The plan: (wich will be shown on a paper outside by a instructor..)
You will come down trough the floor (not in the middle of the store, but in the layer section)
then you will rescue the hostage wich is found in the bathroom against a wall and a terrorist aiming at him..
The walls are sound absorbing so you can kill the terrorist without being noticed by the other 2 terrorists wich is inside the story main room trying to figgure a way to get out..
You press the close down button in the layer section that will open the windows (and outside the windows, there will be placed out 2 SWAT officers that will have a clear shot at the terrorists)
Then, you run in through the door and helps your team to take them down..
When I get this concept scanned (friday, maby thursday)
I'll post it here, and you will see what I mean,,
It is a realistic plan when you see how the store is build.
(I made consept and made the swat plan,, it is bulletproove,
)The first map name is T-TAB. It is a small store that was robbed by 3 men.
No 911 call, but the man at the register activated the silent alarm..
The nagisiator was shot while entering..
All the windows was blocked (the terrorists pressed the close down button so on each window is blocked by a,, well, I guess you guys know what I mean, I have no word for it.
)So. The plan: (wich will be shown on a paper outside by a instructor..)
You will come down trough the floor (not in the middle of the store, but in the layer section)
then you will rescue the hostage wich is found in the bathroom against a wall and a terrorist aiming at him..
The walls are sound absorbing so you can kill the terrorist without being noticed by the other 2 terrorists wich is inside the story main room trying to figgure a way to get out..
You press the close down button in the layer section that will open the windows (and outside the windows, there will be placed out 2 SWAT officers that will have a clear shot at the terrorists)
Then, you run in through the door and helps your team to take them down..
When I get this concept scanned (friday, maby thursday)
I'll post it here, and you will see what I mean,,
It is a realistic plan when you see how the store is build.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 13:33:39 UTC
Post #127990
nagisiatorWhat?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 13:47:43 UTC
Post #127994
I'm assuming it's negotiator (though that's prob not how u spell it either)
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 14:48:43 UTC
Post #128002
yeah.. negotiator..
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 05:58:38 UTC
Post #128095
Here is a render of the gun.
Hope you like it, not so happy about it yet, still experimenting a bit with the proper widths.
Wish i had a real one here, would help so much. That is why im jealous at the modelers at EA, they get one of those guns they need to model! just look at the bf2 credits, you can see the modelers having one of those weapons...
Wish i had a real one here, would help so much. That is why im jealous at the modelers at EA, they get one of those guns they need to model! just look at the bf2 credits, you can see the modelers having one of those weapons...
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 06:09:23 UTC
Post #128096
I love it!
Great job Pepper!
I just made the "base" of the mod and tested the MP5..
I like it,, I like it a lot!
Screenshot (First media)
Special thanks to fury_161 at HL-IMPROVEMENT.com for giving us this model.
Great job Pepper!
I just made the "base" of the mod and tested the MP5..
I like it,, I like it a lot!
Screenshot (First media)
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 06:10:48 UTC
Post #128097
Question:
Is that model freely downloadeble, or is it only for this mod? Otherwise we should only use it as a place holder, il model a new one if you'd like, including a texture.
Is that model freely downloadeble, or is it only for this mod? Otherwise we should only use it as a place holder, il model a new one if you'd like, including a texture.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 06:12:04 UTC
Post #128098
Yes, he gave me the rights to use it..
It is a place holder until we get a new MP5 with animations and renders,,
wich might take a while. (replacing the SMG)
By the way, should I put up your unfinnished model as media? :S
It is a place holder until we get a new MP5 with animations and renders,,
wich might take a while. (replacing the SMG)
By the way, should I put up your unfinnished model as media? :S
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 06:24:17 UTC
Post #128101
Depends on if you want to, it isnt finishd yet, and i cant do any fancy renders.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 06:31:48 UTC
Post #128102
Well, I could put it up as "work in progress"
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 06:33:28 UTC
Post #128103
Sure, go ahead!
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 06:42:21 UTC
Post #128104
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 07:04:12 UTC
Post #128105
Though the website needs some work, doesnt look professional yet, maby we need to look for a webdesigner. Also, other forums might help, maby phpbb or something like that.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 07:10:52 UTC
Post #128106
Oh, you reminded me, good, I am working on the forums (I hate templates sooo much! >_< )
And I'm working on the layout too,, no webdesigner needed,,
And I'm working on the layout too,, no webdesigner needed,,
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 07:26:44 UTC
Post #128108
Good, also the colours....suck . Try others, im not really fond on it.
. Try others, im not really fond on it.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 07:30:12 UTC
Post #128110
They seemed so swattish.. ^^
Well,, uhh,, any suggestions?
Well,, uhh,, any suggestions?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 07:48:46 UTC
Post #128112
Probably some dark bleu, bleu and light bleu colours combined with dark/light gray.
Oh, what stands echo 1-2 for?
Oh, what stands echo 1-2 for?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-17 08:10:29 UTC
Post #128115
Echo 12 doesn't stand for anything, it is the group name.
I'll just,, look up bleu in the dictionary and I'll see what I can do..
Ok, some guy just learned me how to compile HL2 source code, so I think I can fix the granade luncher problem,, ^^
I'll just,, look up bleu in the dictionary and I'll see what I can do..
Ok, some guy just learned me how to compile HL2 source code, so I think I can fix the granade luncher problem,, ^^
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