I would have given this at least bronze if it had worked. It's a shame that it didn't.
The test chamber is very big, but generally doesn't seem blocky or un-detailed, largely thanks to good texturing. The control rooms seemed well-scaled and the lift ride itself was nice (even if it was a bit difficult to get in and out). The sequence is long and dramatic.
There were some little architectural bugs, and I saw distinctive signs of carving when I ran in wireframe. It ran fine still, but I would suggest that you read all the Intermediate tutorials, especially the more general ones. Trust me, it works.
The sounds were a bit lacking, but it was nice to have music, which only one of the other entries featured ? and it was an ideal situation to use the HL soundtrack.
I agree with Daubster on the slightly anti-climatic ending. No Gman in a red suit to lead you away? A missed opportunity
Above-average for a map, and good for a competition entry. I'll be generous and give it four stars.
I'm impressed.. **************** + Architecture. The test chamber was great. Nice detail, rotating stuff. I also liked the glass elevator and overall detail. There were some flaws, but they were only minor. + Texturing. The wall textures were super-stretched, although they didn't seem unnatural, which was a surprise. Some textures weren't very natural, like the ones on the rotors. + Lighting. I liked it. Not too bright in the test chamber, and bright enough in the labs. The lighting in the room after the disaster was also good. I liked the red-ish theme. **************************** - Ambience. Some beam sounds, a louder rotor sound would have been very good.. The large test chamber could have had an ambient sound too. I'd recomment mechwhine.wav or industrial1.wav. You could also add some env_sound to make the ambience really sound like in the huge test chamber. ********************* Overall - a good map. It only lacked atmosphere, and that's quite important for a test chamber. The ending was somehow boring, you could have something happen then. Good work.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-12 06:36:19 UTC
in vault item: hldm_milivoltComment #9837
Yes, this looks much better. Although the map still looks empty, as Kasperg said. I don't see much changes in this version, the textures were nice, imo. Just one big problem: The r_speeds go up to 1.5k in some areas and that's too high for a HLDM map.. Try hint brushes or null textures. Anyways - the map still needs ambience, and I'd still change the theme of the secret room with the ammo.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-11 22:30:33 UTC
in vault item: dm_lakesideComment #9836
How long do you typically have to wait for it to load? It was like 3 minutes or so!
K, I thought the map was pretty cool. Keep in mind that in regard to my following comments, I'm very inexperienced playing/mapping HL2...
+Liked the swamp boats +The bunker with the switchable forcefields very pwn +The sound buttons inside the bunker pwnt. I played like 3 simultaneously and made a sweet mix. +Nice terrain, reminded me of Halo a bit. +The lake looked cool +pwn ramps for the swamp boats!
-Can you set the max-viewable distance higher in this? Terrain noticalbly disappears in the background. Is it because of settings on my end? -I didn't like the combine walls on the far side, they seemed out of place.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-11 17:03:27 UTC
in vault item: Torture that Alien - V2Comment #9826
While looking at your compo entry (nice btw) and looking at this screenshot I noticed that you use point light entities instead of texture lights. I know that point lights are easier to trigger on and off, but not all the lights should be that way. You should try to compile some of your old maps with textlights to see what a huge difference it can make
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-11 10:35:30 UTC
in vault item: RimResortHLDMvDDComment #9824
I liked this map. It has a style that's almost abstract at points yet feels realistic as well. Sort of typical for you, Rimrook, but it fits well together.
This level uses vertical combat nicely and has some good connectivity I think, it's not hard to learn either. 5 minutes is enough to understand the layout which is just fine. It's not uber detailed but the overall structure feels fitting together good and that may have more impact than extra little thingies all around. Good job here.
But uhm, the waterfalls had some uber-bright glow sprites underneath them... the smoke sprite messed up or such? Looked strange. And you used those green plants as ladders at some point but at another point they were just decoration. That's inconsistent and I just had to try to climb them but nope, they weren't climbable. Perhaps use a different plant texture there to avoid confusion.
Overall, a good-looking map with a nice, a little abstract, style to it and it looks like it has some good vertical combat. Good stuff.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-11 08:16:30 UTC
in vault item: JusticeComment #9823
You must be sick of this map by now. It looks exactly the same as the HL2SP version. The whole point of this map is that it's now converted to CS:S.
Sometimes after I retire, I'll make a new map from scratch. Between now and my kids graduating from high school, I'll probably be busy changing diapers and grounding kids.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-10 19:30:39 UTC
in vault item: dm_rustyComment #9819
Looks nice. Looks like it has a good layout (though somewhat cramped now and then and the shotgun's a dead-end), but I preferred it to be somewhat bigger. The architecture is well done and the lighting is overall ok, though I think the fire was too yellowish, I think yellow really doesn't go well with concrete grey and such. Make it more orange, gives a warmer feeling and I think it fits better.
Put the sky brushes somewhat higher though. Explosive barrels explode almost immediatyl when you throw em up. I also think a more distinct theme would do your map good, right now it's really generic (I can't see what this area is supposed to be, actually). Wider paths provide some more room to dodge fire, too, so that's something you could improve on as well. Oh, and that fire wood looked odd. Too flat I think, not really burnt either. Oh well... However, there's some nice touches to this map like the hidden vent route and the stunstick that lies around. And indeed, props don't block movement which is a good thing as well.
All in all, a nice map with some nice touches, but little too small and cramped for me.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-10 12:35:00 UTC
in vault item: PHW ComicsComment #9816
Because this is for Gmod and just posing models, it wouldn't hurt to make the map extremely detailed. Lag and framerates obviously don't matter so much when your taking screenshots rather than trying to line up headshots.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-10 12:04:17 UTC
in vault item: RimResortHLDMvDDComment #9815
hey rim we played this level last night on theserver it was quite fun it played quite well there are lots of hiding places and sniping points hopeyou like the modification of the level
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-10 11:06:45 UTC
in vault item: C2 BreachComment #9814
for no reason - a comment... thats neat, for some reason it reminds me of Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. there is a "bash door" action in which you can kick a door into an enemy standing in front of it. good work.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-10 03:36:17 UTC
in vault item: In-game tutorialComment #9813
VALVe did the same thing with their example maps for Source, which I found to be quite useful. They can easily show how and what entities are working at a set time.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-09 21:07:56 UTC
in vault item: dm_rustyComment #9812
Great map! Original, well crafted and nicely lit. Connectivity could be a bit better: since the map is small I dont know if it's a wise idea to make players go into crawlspaces... Texturing is good, and so is prop placement. I didnt find any phys objects blocking my path at any time, which is good since the map is small For future maps, you might want to disable the shadows of the prop_static trash groups. The default shadow just tends to look wrong imo.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-09 13:33:19 UTC
in vault item: hldm_milivoltComment #9808
This version looks better. But yes, it does feel empty. The problem of using detailed textures is that the whole map needs a high detail level in every aspect. The usual dilema of: why do textures look realistic but a lot of things in the map look strange? This map would be really easy to fill with props in HL2DM
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-09 12:21:22 UTC
in vault item: hldm_milivoltComment #9807
this is definatley a lot better, but there are still some things that need work... its still a bit bare. i love the textures, and lightings improved, but for a big area, its a bit boring on the ground.... maybe some parked cars... etc, i dunno... i don't make a lot of DMatches, so...
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-09 11:53:24 UTC
in vault item: JusticeComment #9806
Thanks Kasperg, I did consider increasing the lightmap density, but that would increase the polycounts for the various brushes. After obsessing about it for a long time, I decided that I would go with performance than the additional shadow-sharpness.
As thanks habboi. This is not a large map, and I am afraid that more players would overwhlem the space in the map, destroying the fun factor (and making it too much like a deathmatch chaos free-for-all). There are eight players playing if the map is full, and I think that's plenty.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-09 09:55:35 UTC
in vault item: JusticeComment #9805
Haha, your the first person i've ever seen use his map in so many versions Well the HL2 version was impressive, your map actually got me mapping as a hobby.
My only concern is it should have more than 4 spawns.
5 stars because it helped me begin mapping, it looks gorgeous and the gameplay was fun in HL2 so it must be similar in CS:S
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-09 05:10:08 UTC
in vault item: JusticeComment #9804
Just a quick comment just by looking at the screenshot: have you tried using lower values for the lightmap resolution of the floor(s)? Since this map takes places at sunset, it would benefit from more defined shadows imo
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-08 14:55:43 UTC
in vault item: hldm_centerComment #9801
Yaeh i was kind of hard on him, but i don't think tha map looked good and i didn't think that the gameplay was that good either... But that's just my opinion
I understand that a lot of people think this is a really great map
But i think it sucks (sorry but im just being honest)
It wasn't realistic as it was meant to be and he could have done a far better job if i worked on it harder
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-08 13:21:14 UTC
in vault item: as_lajosmizse_ultimateComment #9799
Clipping surely is necessary, but putting a clip brush at a spot that looks obviously accessible makes the map feel fake, and that's a bad thing. Try to block off such places in a more real way. Above that bar, for example, you could've put a higher building behind it so you can't jump off into the backyard.
Anyway, I think allowing people up on the roofs isn't a real good idea here, as it gives them a really large view, plus the map is almost completely linear, so a few snipers simply block off the main and only route. It needs some alternative routes, like paths through the backyards. Oh, and hide the view from the skybox some more, as I already said, a sudden ending road looks fake.
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-08 11:28:22 UTC
in vault item: as_lajosmizse_ultimateComment #9797
Well this map still needs work BAD... ********************** + Texturing. Overall texturing was ok, some of the textures didn't fit tho, but it looked quite good overall. +/- Architecture. It was ok, but some areas questioned me. I didn't like the streets ending in mid air or being blocked by something unrealistic(those sandbags and containers), you could have made themend up realistically, like giving them a curve and adding a clip brush, blocking the player from seeing the end of the street or something. I also disliked those "walls" with the ground texture near the CT spawn, that could be changed with more trees with a clip brush. Some places looked too empty or lacked of realism (shoe store, bar, most of the buildings inside them) You also should work on the scale, like rowleybob and Captain P said. ********************* - Layout. It's just 1 path to the escape zone. You really should make more alternate paths, like a sewer or something. - Gameplay. It's be more T balanced, cause there is only one rioute to the ecsape zone. ******************* -- Lighting. VERY BAD. It's fullbright. You must compile VIS to make it look more realistic cause now it's just SO ugly! D: **************** Overall - a good map, it still needs lots of work, but if you get it right - it will really be a nice map to play. You should also do something bout the r_speeds. 1700-1800 isn't very good for a CS map. Keep this up!
Commented 18 years ago2005-11-08 05:47:19 UTC
in vault item: as_lajosmizse_ultimateComment #9795
I don't really think that clipping is always unnecesarry, because if you're up on the top of the bar (with the Heineken sign on the side), and if you're not clipped away, you would fall out of the map and on the other rooftop (shoestore) also. Maybe I'll consider upgrading it, and building more streets, but I think that could be too much detail for HL.
6: seconds
0.11: minutes
0.0025: hours
Very nice!
I think I'll use it in my lab map, I'll give you a credit of course.
I've never had this idea be fore.
Nice figguring m8!
Or the gibshooter, always a cool effect.
Everything on the lower area was just stupid.
Top > 5/5 - Lower Front > 1/5 = 6/10 = 3/5
The test chamber is very big, but generally doesn't seem blocky or un-detailed, largely thanks to good texturing. The control rooms seemed well-scaled and the lift ride itself was nice (even if it was a bit difficult to get in and out). The sequence is long and dramatic.
There were some little architectural bugs, and I saw distinctive signs of carving when I ran in wireframe. It ran fine still, but I would suggest that you read all the Intermediate tutorials, especially the more general ones. Trust me, it works.
The sounds were a bit lacking, but it was nice to have music, which only one of the other entries featured ? and it was an ideal situation to use the HL soundtrack.
I agree with Daubster on the slightly anti-climatic ending. No Gman in a red suit to lead you away? A missed opportunity
Above-average for a map, and good for a competition entry. I'll be generous and give it four stars.
****************
+ Architecture. The test chamber was great. Nice detail, rotating stuff. I also liked the glass elevator and overall detail. There were some flaws, but they were only minor.
+ Texturing. The wall textures were super-stretched, although they didn't seem unnatural, which was a surprise. Some textures weren't very natural, like the ones on the rotors.
+ Lighting. I liked it. Not too bright in the test chamber, and bright enough in the labs. The lighting in the room after the disaster was also good. I liked the red-ish theme.
****************************
- Ambience. Some beam sounds, a louder rotor sound would have been very good.. The large test chamber could have had an ambient sound too. I'd recomment mechwhine.wav or industrial1.wav. You could also add some env_sound to make the ambience really sound like in the huge test chamber.
*********************
Overall - a good map. It only lacked atmosphere, and that's quite important for a test chamber.
The ending was somehow boring, you could have something happen then.
Good work.
Although the map still looks empty, as Kasperg said.
I don't see much changes in this version, the textures were nice, imo.
Just one big problem:
The r_speeds go up to 1.5k in some areas and that's too high for a HLDM map.. Try hint brushes or null textures.
Anyways - the map still needs ambience, and I'd still change the theme of the secret room with the ammo.
K, I thought the map was pretty cool. Keep in mind that in regard to my following comments, I'm very inexperienced playing/mapping HL2...
+Liked the swamp boats
+The bunker with the switchable forcefields very pwn
+The sound buttons inside the bunker pwnt. I played like 3 simultaneously and made a sweet mix.
+Nice terrain, reminded me of Halo a bit.
+The lake looked cool
+pwn ramps for the swamp boats!
-Can you set the max-viewable distance higher in this? Terrain noticalbly disappears in the background. Is it because of settings on my end?
-I didn't like the combine walls on the far side, they seemed out of place.
3 stars
Any Ideas?
Thanks for fixing the link, anyway
P.S.
You ass!
This is a very helpful map! I have always wondered about the water effect!
P.S. I make worse maps than you
btw, this has textured lighting. my compo entry didn't... dunno why I didn't...mmmm...
Question : Were is the bsp??
You should try to compile some of your old maps with textlights to see what a huge difference it can make
This level uses vertical combat nicely and has some good connectivity I think, it's not hard to learn either. 5 minutes is enough to understand the layout which is just fine. It's not uber detailed but the overall structure feels fitting together good and that may have more impact than extra little thingies all around. Good job here.
But uhm, the waterfalls had some uber-bright glow sprites underneath them... the smoke sprite messed up or such? Looked strange. And you used those green plants as ladders at some point but at another point they were just decoration. That's inconsistent and I just had to try to climb them but nope, they weren't climbable. Perhaps use a different plant texture there to avoid confusion.
Overall, a good-looking map with a nice, a little abstract, style to it and it looks like it has some good vertical combat. Good stuff.
Sometimes after I retire, I'll make a new map from scratch. Between now and my kids graduating from high school, I'll probably be busy changing diapers and grounding kids.
Put the sky brushes somewhat higher though. Explosive barrels explode almost immediatyl when you throw em up. I also think a more distinct theme would do your map good, right now it's really generic (I can't see what this area is supposed to be, actually). Wider paths provide some more room to dodge fire, too, so that's something you could improve on as well. Oh, and that fire wood looked odd. Too flat I think, not really burnt either. Oh well...
However, there's some nice touches to this map like the hidden vent route and the stunstick that lies around. And indeed, props don't block movement which is a good thing as well.
All in all, a nice map with some nice touches, but little too small and cramped for me.
thats neat, for some reason it reminds me of Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. there is a "bash door" action in which you can kick a door into an enemy standing in front of it. good work.
Connectivity could be a bit better: since the map is small I dont know if it's a wise idea to make players go into crawlspaces...
Texturing is good, and so is prop placement. I didnt find any phys objects blocking my path at any time, which is good since the map is small
For future maps, you might want to disable the shadows of the prop_static trash groups. The default shadow just tends to look wrong imo.
4.6 stars in my opinion. Keep up the good work!
please fix tags though
The problem of using detailed textures is that the whole map needs a high detail level in every aspect.
The usual dilema of: why do textures look realistic but a lot of things in the map look strange?
This map would be really easy to fill with props in HL2DM
As thanks habboi. This is not a large map, and I am afraid that more players would overwhlem the space in the map, destroying the fun factor (and making it too much like a deathmatch chaos free-for-all). There are eight players playing if the map is full, and I think that's plenty.
Well the HL2 version was impressive, your map actually got me mapping as a hobby.
My only concern is it should have more than 4 spawns.
5 stars because it helped me begin mapping, it looks gorgeous and the gameplay was fun in HL2 so it must be similar in CS:S
And before you accuse me of recycling my map over and over, I plead guilty.
To bad HL1 light is boring!
But this map is stunningly well made
Only downer is that some textures are a little bit boring
...beutiful! it's a 5 star map
I understand that a lot of people think this is a really great map
But i think it sucks (sorry but im just being honest)
It wasn't realistic as it was meant to be and he could have done a far better job if i worked on it harder
Non-Source on the right
Anyway, I think allowing people up on the roofs isn't a real good idea here, as it gives them a really large view, plus the map is almost completely linear, so a few snipers simply block off the main and only route. It needs some alternative routes, like paths through the backyards. Oh, and hide the view from the skybox some more, as I already said, a sudden ending road looks fake.
**********************
+ Texturing. Overall texturing was ok, some of the textures didn't fit tho, but it looked quite good overall.
+/- Architecture. It was ok, but some areas questioned me. I didn't like the streets ending in mid air or being blocked by something unrealistic(those sandbags and containers), you could have made themend up realistically, like giving them a curve and adding a clip brush, blocking the player from seeing the end of the street or something. I also disliked those "walls" with the ground texture near the CT spawn, that could be changed with more trees with a clip brush. Some places looked too empty or lacked of realism (shoe store, bar, most of the buildings inside them) You also should work on the scale, like rowleybob and Captain P said.
*********************
- Layout. It's just 1 path to the escape zone. You really should make more alternate paths, like a sewer or something.
- Gameplay. It's be more T balanced, cause there is only one rioute to the ecsape zone.
*******************
-- Lighting. VERY BAD. It's fullbright. You must compile VIS to make it look more realistic cause now it's just SO ugly! D:
****************
Overall - a good map, it still needs lots of work, but if you get it right - it will really be a nice map to play. You should also do something bout the r_speeds. 1700-1800 isn't very good for a CS map.
Keep this up!