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why not decompile a valve map where these things are and figure it out that way? - sorry if the response sounds like a cheap shot - I'm at work and can't give you a better answer than that and you might be in a hurry
thanks
I'm now looking for this mdl
models/shadertest/shaderslab3.mdl
I can see it in hammer but I can't find it on my machine
I'm now looking for this mdl
models/shadertest/shaderslab3.mdl
I can see it in hammer but I can't find it on my machine
Of got it where it should be but can't get it open - any ideas?
Hi All,
I updated the bugscanyon map based on your feedback - can I get you feedback on it so that I can build better maps in the future?
I was also thinking of making the exact same map - one pl one cp so you can have the same good map but have completely different styles of game play on it. What do you think?
I updated the bugscanyon map based on your feedback - can I get you feedback on it so that I can build better maps in the future?
I was also thinking of making the exact same map - one pl one cp so you can have the same good map but have completely different styles of game play on it. What do you think?
Thanks for all your help! The map - pl_bugscanyon-beta2 - is now in the vault for your perusal
Thanks for all the help guys! I rebuilt a lot of the map - sealed displacements - map now comiles in about 5 hours now - beter than the 4 days I started with and I'm happy with this time I still have to optimize it too huge map being done - will have some screens to show you soon
I still have to optimize it too huge map being done - will have some screens to show you soonthanks
In textures - I see there's two skybox textures
Skybox - I assume this is the one you want to use if doing the 3-d skybox
Skybox-2D- I assume this is for the more tradional box type.
Am I correct? Wh
I am completely rebuilding my map to get rid a lot of the leak issues and although it's a pain, I can now go displacement crazy knowing what the cause of the leaks are!
Skybox - I assume this is the one you want to use if doing the 3-d skybox
Skybox-2D- I assume this is for the more tradional box type.
Am I correct? Wh
I am completely rebuilding my map to get rid a lot of the leak issues and although it's a pain, I can now go displacement crazy knowing what the cause of the leaks are!
UG THAT'S WHAT i WAS AFRAID OF FIXED 20 SO FAR 
COOL - I love TF2!! my map's a TF2 also huge canyon but what a lot of work!
Cool looking map Flux!! I actually liked to look of the pipes. WHen I look at a lot of the maps here I wonder if mine will ever get that good looking.
Hi,
I know about leaks, I know how to fix them but I do have a question about the pointfile.
I'm not sure if I'm doing something right - when I load the file I only see one single leak - since going over to your skybox idea - LOL - I now have several leaks that I'd like to fix all at once.
Is there some way I can get the point file to display ALL the leaks at once or am I forced to compile, get error, load pointfile, fix that one leak and then repeat the process over and over again until there are no more leaks?
Thanks
I know about leaks, I know how to fix them but I do have a question about the pointfile.
I'm not sure if I'm doing something right - when I load the file I only see one single leak - since going over to your skybox idea - LOL - I now have several leaks that I'd like to fix all at once.
Is there some way I can get the point file to display ALL the leaks at once or am I forced to compile, get error, load pointfile, fix that one leak and then repeat the process over and over again until there are no more leaks?
Thanks
Yep - it's a leak (amoung others) but need your opinion cause it's a lot of work.
I have a cave made up of displacements with lots of little cubes acting as the VIS blockers - and most like one of the reasons I'm getting a leak - I can't find any red lines in my point file.
Would this be better - since I'm new to it - rebuild my cave using displacements and then put them all into one big block surronding the entire cave instead of trying to break it up?
I have a cave made up of displacements with lots of little cubes acting as the VIS blockers - and most like one of the reasons I'm getting a leak - I can't find any red lines in my point file.
Would this be better - since I'm new to it - rebuild my cave using displacements and then put them all into one big block surronding the entire cave instead of trying to break it up?
ya that's what I saw somewhere else and saw nothing
FindPortalSide: Couldn't find a good match for which brush to assign to a portal near (-2048.0 3584.0 553.0)
Leaf 0 contents:
Leaf 1 contents: CONTENTS_SOLID
viscontents (node 0 contents ^ node 1 contents): CONTENTS_SOLID
This means that none of the brushes in leaf 0 or 1 that touches the portal has CONTENTS_SOLID
Check for a huge brush enclosing the coordinates above that has contents CONTENTS_SOLID
Candidate brush IDs:
This is the message I'm now getting - any ideas? I go to the co-ordinates but nothing's there
Leaf 0 contents:
Leaf 1 contents: CONTENTS_SOLID
viscontents (node 0 contents ^ node 1 contents): CONTENTS_SOLID
This means that none of the brushes in leaf 0 or 1 that touches the portal has CONTENTS_SOLID
Check for a huge brush enclosing the coordinates above that has contents CONTENTS_SOLID
Candidate brush IDs:
This is the message I'm now getting - any ideas? I go to the co-ordinates but nothing's there
Cool tks
Thanks will try it when I get home!
Hi,
Let's say you have a brush and you tie it to func_detail for example and you just want to make it a world brush again - how do you remove the entity status on the object?
Let's say you have a brush and you tie it to func_detail for example and you just want to make it a world brush again - how do you remove the entity status on the object?
Yep - studying up on map optimization now
Found a good link - so posting it here, hopefully this post that I started will give other noobers like myself good info.
http://www.student.ru.nl/rvanhoorn/optimization.php?chapter=intro&PHPSESSID=fb997c30d05321af4f16961ffb59b73a
Although this is good I'm getting some conflicting messages - do they or do they not (func_detail brushes) lower VIS compile times?
I went func_detail happy last night
Found a good link - so posting it here, hopefully this post that I started will give other noobers like myself good info.
http://www.student.ru.nl/rvanhoorn/optimization.php?chapter=intro&PHPSESSID=fb997c30d05321af4f16961ffb59b73a
Although this is good I'm getting some conflicting messages - do they or do they not (func_detail brushes) lower VIS compile times?
I went func_detail happy last night
Yes thanks Penguin but only 1 last question - what happens if I have tunnels that go outside of the skybox area - ie you're tutorial is 4x4 with the sky going off the walls what would happen if you ran a tunnel from 1 wall around the map to have it come around to the other wall? If the tunnel is wholy enclosed with no leaks, then the skybox doesn't matter in that case - am I correct in assuming there will be no errors?
It's been a real bugger trying to put in blocks behind my displacements (without having to redo the entire map lol) but you gotta do what you gotta do.
I guess one last question re vis - is there some way I can force my pc to show me the compile window to see what's going on? On long compiles my screen saver comes on and when I reactivate the monitor my hammer window is black and I can't see what's going on. I'm doing a compile again the block are helping with the speed but it's still going slow - the 1st line of vis happened really fast and I got to 30% fairly quickly on the 2nd - now it seems to be chugging again. Sorry that's all I can tell you due to the black screen.
Does Vis also work like this?
Part a of map doesn't have a lot of stuff so done fast and it's done, now I'll work on part b and since there's a lot it will take time before I can go to part c - in other words it's all added together slowly in chunks
or
Part a is finished, now I'll use all the data and comiple part b then when part b is completed it uses both a and b to finish part c - in other words it's all added together slowly in chunks but the data of the first chunks is used to build the other chunks
or
It looks at your entire map as a whole and does absolutely everything at the same time?
I'm just trying to figure out why vis seems to go from 0-30% and then chugs slower and slower as it goes.
The 1st compile took 4 days and I only got to 40%, the last one before this in 4 hours, wasn't using comp so thought I'd run a test to check my optimzation got it to 50% and now I've been going 24 hours and don't want to stop least I kill it at 90% and go DOH!!!
It's been a real bugger trying to put in blocks behind my displacements (without having to redo the entire map lol) but you gotta do what you gotta do.
I guess one last question re vis - is there some way I can force my pc to show me the compile window to see what's going on? On long compiles my screen saver comes on and when I reactivate the monitor my hammer window is black and I can't see what's going on. I'm doing a compile again the block are helping with the speed but it's still going slow - the 1st line of vis happened really fast and I got to 30% fairly quickly on the 2nd - now it seems to be chugging again. Sorry that's all I can tell you due to the black screen.
Does Vis also work like this?
Part a of map doesn't have a lot of stuff so done fast and it's done, now I'll work on part b and since there's a lot it will take time before I can go to part c - in other words it's all added together slowly in chunks
or
Part a is finished, now I'll use all the data and comiple part b then when part b is completed it uses both a and b to finish part c - in other words it's all added together slowly in chunks but the data of the first chunks is used to build the other chunks
or
It looks at your entire map as a whole and does absolutely everything at the same time?
I'm just trying to figure out why vis seems to go from 0-30% and then chugs slower and slower as it goes.
The 1st compile took 4 days and I only got to 40%, the last one before this in 4 hours, wasn't using comp so thought I'd run a test to check my optimzation got it to 50% and now I've been going 24 hours and don't want to stop least I kill it at 90% and go DOH!!!
in your 3d skybox tut u use a 4x4 floor with walls - textured
can u put a skybox on a nodraw textured wall
can u manipulate the skybos to any shape u like - ie your map is in a u shape therefore your skybox will have to be u shapd or o they all have to be like a 4x4 box?
thanks!
can u put a skybox on a nodraw textured wall
can u manipulate the skybos to any shape u like - ie your map is in a u shape therefore your skybox will have to be u shapd or o they all have to be like a 4x4 box?
thanks!
I'm putting this into here instead of another question addon to penguin boy on the 3D Sky boxes tutorial.
Displacements make up a lot of the exterior walls of my map (currently fixing this thanks to Spike's mesage above). If I wall them up with the nodraw texture behind them can I put another brush ontop of it then attach the skyobx texture to it so that I can then do the 3d Skybox thing? Will the 3D skybox work?
Sorry to be such a pain but one last thing on the skybox thing - if you had a map that was shaped like a donut (or other holes in your map) and put in the skybox in the interior and outer cirlces will the skybox still work properly or do you want me to copy/paste this question onto the tutorial?
Lastly - similar to the dounut - let's say your map from above looked like the letter "E" but with the top part of the E went to the left - for the top skybox section do you mold it to fit or can you just make one big square to fit and the program will blend it in the game automatically?
Displacements make up a lot of the exterior walls of my map (currently fixing this thanks to Spike's mesage above). If I wall them up with the nodraw texture behind them can I put another brush ontop of it then attach the skyobx texture to it so that I can then do the 3d Skybox thing? Will the 3D skybox work?
Sorry to be such a pain but one last thing on the skybox thing - if you had a map that was shaped like a donut (or other holes in your map) and put in the skybox in the interior and outer cirlces will the skybox still work properly or do you want me to copy/paste this question onto the tutorial?
Lastly - similar to the dounut - let's say your map from above looked like the letter "E" but with the top part of the E went to the left - for the top skybox section do you mold it to fit or can you just make one big square to fit and the program will blend it in the game automatically?
Just wanted to say thanks to all for all the Noob questions I've been putting on here!!
Source is completely new to me and it's a big learning curve from the cs/hl mapping I've been doing in the past - everything's different!
Source is completely new to me and it's a big learning curve from the cs/hl mapping I've been doing in the past - everything's different!
I think Normal does nothing (a "flat" look) and Bumps bring out the texture (making it rougher/more realistic - like running hands accross stuco or concrete for example).
What type of lght you using? Are you also at exact same viewing location and light has same parameters?
What type of lght you using? Are you also at exact same viewing location and light has same parameters?
may have found an answer for us all here - I'll check it out and see if it works with a water texture
http://sdknuts.net/tutorials/wiseMaterialScroll.asp
http://sdknuts.net/tutorials/wiseMaterialScroll.asp
OH WOW SPIKE - HUGE TIP!!!! my map contains a ton of diplacements none of which has anything behind it - this tip alone will probably save me a huge amount of compile times - will get to work blocking VIS LOL
For the Rocks ontop of the map & other models - make them func_details? I think I saw somewhere that VIS will carve a map into a lot of leaves around a pillar for example - thus lagging compile time and gameplay time.
Will models/props effect vis too if they touch the floor, walls etc? or should I try to leave them 1 unit off the floor? Haven't found this out yet but am reading up here:
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Controlling_Geometry_Visibility_and_Compile_Times
For the Rocks ontop of the map & other models - make them func_details? I think I saw somewhere that VIS will carve a map into a lot of leaves around a pillar for example - thus lagging compile time and gameplay time.
Will models/props effect vis too if they touch the floor, walls etc? or should I try to leave them 1 unit off the floor? Haven't found this out yet but am reading up here:
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Controlling_Geometry_Visibility_and_Compile_Times
Thanks again - I was wondering where to start
I think the skybox route I did was the old fashioned way of doing it- is this right? Would I be better off doing a 3D skybox thing? I was looking at the tutorial on the site here - would that cut down the compile tim too?
Do you know anything about area_portals? I've heard they're also good but hear they don't work with displacements - you've seen the map - I tried to use them in the tunnels and caves but am getting leak errors when I do so I just went with hint brushes.
I think the skybox route I did was the old fashioned way of doing it- is this right? Would I be better off doing a 3D skybox thing? I was looking at the tutorial on the site here - would that cut down the compile tim too?
Do you know anything about area_portals? I've heard they're also good but hear they don't work with displacements - you've seen the map - I tried to use them in the tunnels and caves but am getting leak errors when I do so I just went with hint brushes.
Hey thanks a lot Spike I really appreciate it! I'm new to the whole Source World - this is my 1st real big map - I mostly do day of defeat and cs 1.6 stuff.
Will learn the optim stuff.
Will learn the optim stuff.
Thanks for all the help so far- Daub I'm taking your advice...
here's a link to the vmf file - can someone try to do a compile on a good machine and see if they have any issues?
http://jecphotography.com/gamestuff/Pl_bugscanyon.htm
here's a link to the vmf file - can someone try to do a compile on a good machine and see if they have any issues?
http://jecphotography.com/gamestuff/Pl_bugscanyon.htm
ok after 5 days I killed VIS - here's my compile report. Any suggestions:
** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\sourcesdk\bin\orangebox\bin\vbsp.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\team fortress 2\tf" "C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a"
Valve Software - vbsp.exe (Mar 11 2008)
1 threads
materialPath: c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\team fortress 2\tf\materials
Loading C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.vmf
Patching WVT material: maps/pl-bugscanyon-beta-a/nature/blendrockdirt008c_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/pl-bugscanyon-beta-a/nature/blendrockgravel001a_wvt_patch
fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides...
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (1)
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Processing areas...done (0)
Building Faces...done (1)
Chop Details...done (0)
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Merging details...done (0)
FixTjuncs...
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writing C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.prt...Building visibility clusters...
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Creating default LDR cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
skybox/sky_day01_01*.vmt
! Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Creating default HDR cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
skybox/sky_day01_01*.vmt
! Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Finding displacement neighbors...
Found a displacement edge abutting multiple other edges.
Warning: overflowed 2 displacement corner-neighbor lists.Finding lightmap sample positions...
Displacement Alpha : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Building Physics collision data...
done (1) (425972 bytes)
Placing detail props : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Compacting texture/material tables...
Reduced 5291 texinfos to 2681
Reduced 43 texdatas to 34 (1260 bytes to 782)
Writing C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp
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** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\sourcesdk\bin\orangebox\bin\vvis.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\team fortress 2\tf" "C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a"
Valve Software - vvis.exe (Mar 11 2008)
1 threads
reading c:\documents and settings\john\desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp
reading c:\documents and settings\john\desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.prt
3222 portalclusters
12500 numportals
BasePortalVis: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (126)
PortalFlow: 0...1...2...3...4...5..
** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\sourcesdk\bin\orangebox\bin\vrad.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\team fortress 2\tf" "C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a"
Valve Software - vrad.exe SSE (Mar 11 2008)
[Reading texlights from 'lights.rad']
[34 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad']
Loading c:\documents and settings\john\desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp
No vis information, direct lighting only.
Setting up ray-trace acceleration structure... Done (5.69 seconds)
7135 faces
1 degenerate faces
1503323 square feet [216478560.00 square inches]
179 Displacements
226606 Square Feet [32631388.00 Square Inches]
174 direct lights
BuildFacelights: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (188)
Build Patch/Sample Hash Table(s).....Done<0.0896 sec>
FinalLightFace: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (35)
FinalLightFace Done
Computing detail prop lighting : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
0 of 0 (0% of) surface lights went in leaf ambient cubes.
ThreadComputeLeafAmbient: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (139)
Writing leaf ambient...done
Ready to Finish
Object names Objects/Maxobjs Memory / Maxmem Fullness
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models 206/1024 9888/49152 (20.1%)
brushes 1155/8192 13860/98304 (14.1%)
brushsides 8779/65536 70232/524288 (13.4%)
planes 8590/65536 171800/1310720 (13.1%)
vertexes 12017/65536 144204/786432 (18.3%)
nodes 6617/65536 211744/2097152 (10.1%)
texinfos 2681/12288 193032/884736 (21.8%)
texdata 34/2048 1088/65536 ( 1.7%)
dispinfos 179/0 31504/0 ( 0.0%)
disp_verts 14275/0 285500/0 ( 0.0%)
disp_tris 22528/0 45056/0 ( 0.0%)
disp_lmsamples 519056/0 519056/0 ( 0.0%)
faces 7135/65536 399560/3670016 (10.9%)
hdr faces 0/65536 0/3670016 ( 0.0%)
origfaces 4390/65536 245840/3670016 ( 6.7%)
leaves 6824/65536 218368/2097152 (10.4%)
leaffaces 9142/65536 18284/131072 (13.9%)
leafbrushes 3723/65536 7446/131072 ( 5.7%)
areas 2/256 16/2048 ( 0.8%)
surfedges 48973/512000 195892/2048000 ( 9.6%)
edges 27580/256000 110320/1024000 (10.8%)
LDR worldlights 174/8192 15312/720896 ( 2.1%)
HDR worldlights 0/8192 0/720896 ( 0.0%)
leafwaterdata 6/32768 72/393216 ( 0.0%)
waterstrips 588/32768 5880/327680 ( 1.8%)
waterverts 0/65536 0/786432 ( 0.0%)
waterindices 9096/65536 18192/131072 (13.9%)
cubemapsamples 0/1024 0/16384 ( 0.0%)
overlays 0/512 0/180224 ( 0.0%)
LDR lightdata [variable] 7675588/0 ( 0.0%)
HDR lightdata [variable] 0/0 ( 0.0%)
visdata [variable] 0/16777216 ( 0.0%)
entdata [variable] 347936/393216 (88.5%) VERY FULL!
LDR ambient table 6824/65536 27296/262144 (10.4%)
HDR ambient table 6824/65536 27296/262144 (10.4%)
LDR leaf ambient 13626/65536 381528/1835008 (20.8%)
HDR leaf ambient 6824/65536 191072/1835008 (10.4%)
occluders 0/0 0/0 ( 0.0%)
occluder polygons 0/0 0/0 ( 0.0%)
occluder vert ind 0/0 0/0 ( 0.0%)
detail props [variable] 1/244 ( 0.4%)
dtl prp lght [variable] 1/14 ( 7.1%)
HDR dtl prp lght [variable] 1/4 (25.0%)
static props [variable] 1/7892 ( 0.0%)
pakfile [variable] 214986/0 ( 0.0%)
physics [variable] 425972/4194304 (10.2%)
physics terrain [variable] 24679/1048576 ( 2.4%)
Level flags = 0
Total triangle count: 17765
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** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp" "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\team fortress 2\tf\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp"
** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\sourcesdk\bin\orangebox\bin\vbsp.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\team fortress 2\tf" "C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a"
Valve Software - vbsp.exe (Mar 11 2008)
1 threads
materialPath: c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\team fortress 2\tf\materials
Loading C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.vmf
Patching WVT material: maps/pl-bugscanyon-beta-a/nature/blendrockdirt008c_wvt_patch
Patching WVT material: maps/pl-bugscanyon-beta-a/nature/blendrockgravel001a_wvt_patch
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writing C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.prt...Building visibility clusters...
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Creating default LDR cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
skybox/sky_day01_01*.vmt
! Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Creating default HDR cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
skybox/sky_day01_01*.vmt
! Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Finding displacement neighbors...
Found a displacement edge abutting multiple other edges.
Warning: overflowed 2 displacement corner-neighbor lists.Finding lightmap sample positions...
Displacement Alpha : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
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Writing C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp
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** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\sourcesdk\bin\orangebox\bin\vvis.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\team fortress 2\tf" "C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a"
Valve Software - vvis.exe (Mar 11 2008)
1 threads
reading c:\documents and settings\john\desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp
reading c:\documents and settings\john\desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.prt
3222 portalclusters
12500 numportals
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PortalFlow: 0...1...2...3...4...5..
** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\sourcesdk\bin\orangebox\bin\vrad.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\team fortress 2\tf" "C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a"
Valve Software - vrad.exe SSE (Mar 11 2008)
Valve Radiosity Simulator[Reading texlights from 'lights.rad']
[34 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad']
Loading c:\documents and settings\john\desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp
No vis information, direct lighting only.
Setting up ray-trace acceleration structure... Done (5.69 seconds)
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Writing leaf ambient...done
Ready to Finish
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Writing c:\documents and settings\john\desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp
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** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "C:\Documents and Settings\John\Desktop\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp" "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\kill_the_bug\team fortress 2\tf\maps\pl-bugscanyon-beta-a.bsp"
Any recomendations about what texture I should use to create a moving waterfall in Source?
I've done it in HL/CS by using a texture to a func_conveyor but can't seem to do it in source - any ideas?
I've done it in HL/CS by using a texture to a func_conveyor but can't seem to do it in source - any ideas?
I tried - it wasn't working for me 
- it think it might be time delayed
two of them close together but the other 2 are at least an hour apart
- it think it might be time delayedtwo of them close together but the other 2 are at least an hour apart
Just read a post by Madcow in different area - he said that engine doesn't like wide open areas and that fog helps this.
My map is canyon style, there's 4 - 5 large combat zones all outdoors - could this add into the compile time?
Oh - and lots of lights(on normal) - torches lighting the map - it's a twighlight dusk / early night time map - shadows and dark areas make it great for spies / snipers - LOL
My map is canyon style, there's 4 - 5 large combat zones all outdoors - could this add into the compile time?
Oh - and lots of lights(on normal) - torches lighting the map - it's a twighlight dusk / early night time map - shadows and dark areas make it great for spies / snipers - LOL
Question - anyone else having a problem loading maps into the problem area?
Tried 5 times now and it won't work.
Tried 5 times now and it won't work.
will put the vmf into problem maps area to see if anyone has the same problem
suggestions for that external compile program?
for the ompile - I hit F9 and picked normal for all - should I do something else?
maybe vis got stuck?
for the ompile - I hit F9 and picked normal for all - should I do something else?
maybe vis got stuck?
ok made it a one stage map - might be interesting for both read and blue to attack/defend.
cart starts blue and goes to red so massive battles bothe ends but the cart doesn't stop at red it starts to loop back to blue forcing blue to work on defense to help get the cart back to their side of the map and red has to attack top stop them - plus set up more defense when blue starts to push it back on the final wave back to red's base.
demo men will be able go arounf the map like flying monkeys too - built the map with tunnels, surface and cliff top fighting areas to battle on - which probably explains my long compile time.
If someone could just tell me how to do the round question - I'll work at making it into a 3 stage map - thanks.
cart starts blue and goes to red so massive battles bothe ends but the cart doesn't stop at red it starts to loop back to blue forcing blue to work on defense to help get the cart back to their side of the map and red has to attack top stop them - plus set up more defense when blue starts to push it back on the final wave back to red's base.
demo men will be able go arounf the map like flying monkeys too - built the map with tunnels, surface and cliff top fighting areas to battle on - which probably explains my long compile time.
If someone could just tell me how to do the round question - I'll work at making it into a 3 stage map - thanks.
Ok not used to source compiling yet but this one's been 100% CPU usuage and 4 days - big TF2 Map.
Have launched task manager and stripped computer done to 26 essential services to free up RAM here are some details:
Totals:
Handles-8284
Threads-406
Processes-26
Physical Memory(k)
Total - 2620912
Available - 1549796
System Cache - 1070064
Commit Charge(k)
Total - 964640
Limit - 4555628
Peak - 1224032
Kernal Memory (K)
Total - 85096
Paged - 653388
Nonpaged - 19708
Processes - 26 CPU usage 100% Commit Charge 941M/4448M
Ok what's all the above mean? LOL
lastly AMD(Athlon)64 processor
300+
2.01GHz, 2.50GB Ram
Physical Address Extension
When I last saw it (hammer shows black screen - can no longer see the compile window) I was at stage 4 of the 2nd Vis line - yesterday about 4 pm - it now 1 am.
Any ideas how I can speed it up? I have lots opf hin brushes in it.
How much longer do you think I'll have to wait?
As always, thanks for your help.
Have launched task manager and stripped computer done to 26 essential services to free up RAM here are some details:
Totals:
Handles-8284
Threads-406
Processes-26
Physical Memory(k)
Total - 2620912
Available - 1549796
System Cache - 1070064
Commit Charge(k)
Total - 964640
Limit - 4555628
Peak - 1224032
Kernal Memory (K)
Total - 85096
Paged - 653388
Nonpaged - 19708
Processes - 26 CPU usage 100% Commit Charge 941M/4448M
Ok what's all the above mean? LOL
lastly AMD(Athlon)64 processor
300+
2.01GHz, 2.50GB Ram
Physical Address Extension
When I last saw it (hammer shows black screen - can no longer see the compile window) I was at stage 4 of the 2nd Vis line - yesterday about 4 pm - it now 1 am.
Any ideas how I can speed it up? I have lots opf hin brushes in it.
How much longer do you think I'll have to wait?
As always, thanks for your help.
yep - sorry - it's a TF2 Payload map
Hi - sorry for posting it here - I couldn't get the problem maps area to work for some reason - tried 5-6 times.
Anyways here's the link:
http://jecphotography.com/gamestuff/Pl_bugscanyon.htm
it's the vmf file.
Here's the issue:
I got Round A to work fine - beautiful - no problems
I added in round B and now it crashes - can someone look at the code and tell me what's going on and how to fix it? Can someone also tell me how to make my watefall acutally work too?
The map is also a beta - so I'll be changing more of the canyon to look like a canyon - D version looking pretty good!!
Anyways here's the link:
http://jecphotography.com/gamestuff/Pl_bugscanyon.htm
it's the vmf file.
Here's the issue:
I got Round A to work fine - beautiful - no problems
I added in round B and now it crashes - can someone look at the code and tell me what's going on and how to fix it? Can someone also tell me how to make my watefall acutally work too?
The map is also a beta - so I'll be changing more of the canyon to look like a canyon - D version looking pretty good!!
thanks for the link had trouble finding it - just submitted a proposal - I also do tech tutorials at work.
Ok - after several hours of trying to solve it, search the net, etc. I have found the solution and yes I figured it out by myslef too
I will make a tutorial for everyone - what format do you want it in? I can make you a PDF / ms word doc easily.
I will make a tutorial for everyone - what format do you want it in? I can make you a PDF / ms word doc easily.
it has something to do with the amount of entities in the map - I made de_shootout and some of the fuction walls disappeared - you could stll walk into them but not see them.
i made them back into non entities and they worked ok after that.
i made them back into non entities and they worked ok after that.
Ok, can make a door , can get it to work sort of BUT I can't get it to do the following:
At round start I need this door to keep the 2 teams apart while both build defensive sentries.
Door either stays locked at round start or doesn't stay locked during the setup time allowing you to go through it.
Anyone know how to do this? - step by step guide please - it's the last thing I need to know to finish a map
Great changes on the site too BTW!
Moved to correct forum. -mod
At round start I need this door to keep the 2 teams apart while both build defensive sentries.
Door either stays locked at round start or doesn't stay locked during the setup time allowing you to go through it.
Anyone know how to do this? - step by step guide please - it's the last thing I need to know to finish a map
Great changes on the site too BTW!
Moved to correct forum. -mod
Hey thanks Playbus would it make a difference if I made them displacenets for the slopped sections?
How do you get the fps counter working?
We played it at 24 players and no one mentioned any performance issues.
How do you get the fps counter working?
We played it at 24 players and no one mentioned any performance issues.
no - it doesn't argh - but I learn more 
thanks
Barrel props are pretty complex in their nature.
Does antone know how much they cost in terms of game play?
1 = ?
2 = ??
3 = ???
or does the value go up expotetially? 1 = 1, 2 = 2.5, 3=4?
or does it also include what else is there?
For example if, I just had 1 barrel - no big deal but if I wanted to make a wine cellar or storage room where I have lots - is there a way that I can calculate it out before going to the trouble of building it? tks and as always - u guys/gals are the best.
Does antone know how much they cost in terms of game play?
1 = ?
2 = ??
3 = ???
or does the value go up expotetially? 1 = 1, 2 = 2.5, 3=4?
or does it also include what else is there?
For example if, I just had 1 barrel - no big deal but if I wanted to make a wine cellar or storage room where I have lots - is there a way that I can calculate it out before going to the trouble of building it? tks and as always - u guys/gals are the best.
lol - welcome to mapping & long compile times!!
Ok will try it out tonight